<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">The problem is that you are tossing us a sentence fragment and asking us what it means without any context.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I was presuming you meant something like {bIrmeH betgham jan vISuq.}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I seek and find a device for the purpose of the liquid being cold.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Even this is ambiguous because it either means:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I seek and find an in-order-that-the-liquid-is-cold device. What kind of device do I seek? I seek one that has the purpose of resulting in the cold liquid.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> or </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It could mean I seek a device, in order that the liquid is cold. Why am I looking for the device? I’m looking for the purpose of the liquid being cold.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Note that in neither case does the device need to make the liquid cold. It could be a thermos. Something else could make it cold. The device merely keeps it cold.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Or maybe the device collects a cold liquid. Again, it doesn’t have to make it cold.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Either the device has the purpose of the liquid being cold, or my seeking the device has the purpose of the liquid being cold.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Anyway, if you gave us a sentence that contained the phrase you are working with, we’d understand you better and would be less likely to jump to assumptions.</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 3, 2019, at 11:50 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class="">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">SuStel:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Did you mean bIrmoHmeH betgham liquid for making (something) cold?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">No, indeed I meant {bIrmeH betgham}. I know it sounds strange, but I<br class="">couldn't think anything better to be used as an example with an<br class="">intransitive verb.<br class=""><br class="">- bara'qa'<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">tlhIngan-Hol mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org" class="">tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org</a><br class="">http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>