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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/2/2019 11:46 AM, nIqolay Q wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at
11:04 AM SuStel <<a
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<p>No you can't — unless you come from Sakrej. <b>maH
Hoch</b> is not a <b>Hoch</b> that is possessed
by <b>maH.</b> As we see with "area" nouns, they
don't get "possessed" by the pronouns modifying
them: <b>jIH tlhop</b><i> area in front of me</i>
(not <b>tlhopwIj</b>), and so on. I don't possess
the area in front of me; the area in front is being
identified as the one associated with me. This is a
non-possessive, genitive relationship.<br>
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class="gmail_default">The <b>jIH tlhop</b> vs. <b>tlhopwIj</b>
issue isn't presented as a general grammar rule applying
to certain genitive relationships. It's just presented
as a weird thing you do with locative nouns. It doesn't
even apply to all locative nouns. The compass direction
nouns are an explicit exception, even in the standard
dialect. "My east, area to my east" is <b>chanwIj</b>
is the standard dialect, even though I don't own the
area to my east. The same applies to <b>tIng</b> and <b>'ev</b>.</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"
class="gmail_default">In the standard dialect of
Klingon ({ta' Hol}) and in most other dialects, the
locative nouns (or nouns of location, or nouns
expressing prepositional concepts) do not take
possessive suffixes, while in the dialect of the
Sakrej region, they do.<br>
The directional nouns ({chan}, {'ev}, {tIng}), on the
other hand, take possessive suffixes in all dialects
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href="http://klingonska.org/canon/1999-12-holqed-08-4-a.txt"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://klingonska.org/canon/1999-12-holqed-08-4-a.txt</a> </div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"
class="gmail_default">That article goes on to mention
that you can say <b>jIH chan</b>, but that the
difference is in terms of emphasis ("MY east"), rather
than in the nature of the genitive relationship. <br>
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<p>Please feel free to say <b>pIm Hochma'</b> if you like.<br>
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