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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">(TKD 3.3.2): Inherently plural nouns are treated grammatically as singular nouns in that singular pronouns are used to refer to
them (sections 4.1, 5.1). For example, in the sentence {cha yIghuS} “Stand by torpedoes!” or “Get the torpedoes ready to be fired!” the verb prefix {yI-}, an imperative prefix used for singular objects, must be used even though the object ({cha} “torpedoes”)
has a plural meaning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">(KGT 33-34): Inherently plural nouns are considered singular as far as how they fit into the overall grammatical structure. Thus,
the singular pronoun {'oH} (it) is used for both {jengva'} (plate) and {ngop} (plates) in sentences such as {nuqDaq 'oH jengva''e'?} (“Where is the plate?”) and {nuqDaq 'oH ngop'e'?} (“Where are the plates?”). Children, however, tend to use the plural pronoun
{bIH} (they) with {ngop} (as well as with {jengva'mey} and the redundantly suffixed {ngopmey}): {nuqDaq bIH ngop'e'?} (“Where are the plates?”).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">(KGT 178): {Hochlogh no' yIquvmoH} ("All times honor your ancestors"; {no'}, "ancestors"; {yIquvmoH}, “Honor them!” [actually, this is “Honor him/her!”; the
inherently plural noun {no'}, “ancestors”, takes a singular pronoun] ); compare {reH no' yIquvmoH} ("Always honor your ancestors").<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Ca'Non Master of the Klingons</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">FROM:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hugh Son puqloD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 26, 2019, at 21:53, De'vID <<a href="mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">these seem downright weird:<br>
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{nuqDaq 'oH ngop'e'?}<br>
{'Iv ghaH no'ra''e'?}<br>
{cha 'oH'a'?}<br>
{negh ghaHlaw'.}<br>
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Do we have canonical evidence of pronouns used to stand in for irregular plural nouns?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">{nuqDaq 'oH ngop'e'} is given as an example in KGT on p.33 where the grammar of inherently plural nouns is explained. Those sentences are grammatically correct.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sigh. Once again I ask a question that’s answered in KGT, and amusingly this time I even made up an example that is identical to a canonical example that answers my question.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I clearly need to repeatedly read KGT until I don’t ask questions like that any more. Maybe I’ll sleep with it under my pillow tonight.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For some reason, the examples with {ghaH} strike me as even weirder than the ones with {'oH}. But if we do use {'oH} for {ngop}, I can’t justify using {chaH} for {no'}.<o:p></o:p></p>
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