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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/23/2019 1:19 PM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<div dir="auto">Then hate overcame Fëanor’s fear, and he cursed
Melkor and bade him be gone, saying: ‘Get thee gone from my
gate, thou jail-crow of Mandos!’ And he shut the doors of his
house in the face of the mightiest of all the dwellers in Eä.</div>
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<div dir="auto">tlh:</div>
<div dir="auto">wa'DIch ghIj feanor, 'ach tagha' muSqu'choHmo',
melkor tIchmeH 'ej mejmoHmeH HoS Suq. vaj jatlh:</div>
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<div dir="auto">lojmItwIjvo' yIghoS, mandos bIghHa' notqa' !</div>
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<div dir="auto">ea nganpu''e', melkor Dun law' Hoch Dun puS; 'ach,
feanor juH lojmItmeyDaq QamtaHvIS melkor, ghaHvaD lojmItmeyvam
SoQmoH feanor.</div>
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<div dir="auto">discussion:</div>
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<div dir="auto">This is the best I could do.</div>
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<div dir="auto">After finishing this, and reading your
translation, I have to comment:</div>
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<div dir="auto">1st:</div>
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<div dir="auto">I liked *a lot* your {Melkor 'IghmoH}. Sadly it
didn't come to my mind while I was writing my version.</div>
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<div dir="auto">2nd:</div>
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<div dir="auto">SuStel:</div>
<div dir="auto">> Eä DabwI''e' Melkor HoSghaj law' Hoch HoSghaj
puS; </div>
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<div dir="auto">Initially I thought of using {DabwI'}, but I went
with {ngan} because I didn't know which was actually closer to
"dwellers". My mind decided to go with {ngan}.</div>
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<p><b>ngan</b> works too.<br>
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<div dir="auto">However, I'm puzzled with your choice of
{HoSghaj}. In english, is "mighty" closer to "powerful", or
closer to "greatest" ?</div>
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<p>It means showing great power or strength. When Tolkien says that
Melkor was the mightiest of the Ainur, he means Melkor was
literally the most powerful.<br>
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<div dir="auto">3rd:</div>
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<div dir="auto">SuStel:</div>
<div dir="auto">> DabwI'vam qab tlhopDaq </div>
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<div dir="auto">I thought of this too, but I wondered whether the
"he shut the doors of his house in the face of" was to be taken
literally or metaphorically.</div>
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<p>I considered this carefully. <i>In the face of</i> has an
idiomatic meaning of <i>when confronted with</i> or <i>despite.</i>
But here the meaning is very nearly completely literal: Melkor is
standing before the doors, and Fëanor shuts them, the shutting
taking place immediately in front of Melkor's face. The English
expression also includes a connotation of rudeness that doesn't
necessarily come across in the Klingon unless you think about it
carefully, but I don't offhand know of any Klingon expression that
would elegantly express both rudeness and the shutting of a door
immediately in front of someone.</p>
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<div dir="auto">4th:</div>
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<div dir="auto">jIH:</div>
<div dir="auto">> feanor juH lojmItmeyDaq QamtaHvIS melkor </div>
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<div dir="auto">I wondered whether I could write too:</div>
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<div dir="auto">{feanor juH lojmItmeyDaq ghaHtaHvIS melkor'e'}</div>
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<div dir="auto">And I still wonder whether that would be correct
too..</div>
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<p>Sure, both of those are correct.<br>
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