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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/15/2019 12:27 PM, Alan Anderson
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yIja''egh
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<div>(an example from TKD 4.2.1)<br>
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On Aug 15, 2019, at 12:17 PM, SuStel <<a
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<div dir="ltr">In canon, Okrand has only ever used a word like
<b>lut</b> as the object of <b>ja'.</b> He has never
explicitly used a person as its object.</div>
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<p>Hang on. I found a better example than that.</p>
<p><b>loDnI'Daj vavDaj je ja' qeylIS</b><i> Kahless tells his
brother and father</i> (PB)</p>
<p>But <i>paq'batlh</i> also has <b>SengmeywIj vIja'laHbe'</b><i>
I cannot speak of my tragedies,</i> <b>chaHvaD lut ja'</b><i>
told them his tale,</i> <b>lut ja'taHvIS Hem rewbe'</b><i> The
people tell the tales with pride,</i><b> le'yo' lutmey
juja'pu'mo' qatlho'</b><i> I think you, for your stories of
pride</i> (Hey, it's an example of someone saying <b>qatlho'</b>),
<b>DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja'</b><i> Now I will tell you why I
am here,</i> <b>'ej mu'meyvam ja'</b><i> And spoke these words,</i>
<b>qeylISvaD mu'meyvam ja'ta' molor qotar je</b><i> This is what
Kotar and Molor / Have said to Kahless,</i> <b>ghIq pagh
ja'taHvIS</b><i> Then without a word,</i> <b>quv HIja'chuqQo'</b><i>
Don't speak to me of honor!</i></p>
<p>So going by <i>paq'batlh,</i> it is possible to use a person as
the object of <b>ja',</b> but it's FAR more common to use the
words or information told as the object.</p>
<p>My guess: the "natural" object of <b>ja'</b> is the direct
object, the information or words told. When using a direct object,
any indirect object must be explicitly marked with <b>-vaD.</b>
But when there is no explicit direct object, the indirect object,
the entity to whom something is told, can sit in the object
position.</p>
<p>Much like the way <b>-moH</b> seems to work with objects.<br>
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