<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">What follows is 100% opinion:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think that Maltz erred when he defined {Qochbe’} as “Agree”. I believe “Agree" should have been defined as {QochHa’}. {Qochbe’} should merely mean that you don’t disagree, which is not quite as negative as agreeing.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">By defining “Agree” as {Qochbe’}, we lose the ability to casually express that we neither agree nor disagree. We lose what we have for pretty much every other verb in the vocabulary. The mere negative becomes the antonym, and so the actual expression of the antonym becomes meaningless.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In other words, every other verb has a “be true” value of 1 (no negation), 0 ({-be’}), or -1 ({-Ha’}), but this verb uniquely has only the values 1, -1. There is no zero.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">No, I’m not trying to change the definition. I honestly think that it’s a screwup that we have to live with because if we don’t all stick to cannon, then it’s a slippery slope to chaos. Where do we draw the line?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So, I believe that {QochHa’} is technically meaningless, since THE THING THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO MEAN, going by the general meaning of {-Ha’} as applied to any other verb in the vocabulary, is covered by the mere use of {-be’}. Thus, having {Qochbe’} mean “agree”, there is never a reason to use {QochHa’}.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We can do logical/linguistic gymnastics pretending to make sense of {QochHa’}, but it is a word that lacks a reason d’être, being redundant, perhaps, with {Qochbe’chu’}.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is not a new discovery for me. I recognized this over a decade ago, meeting it with an eye roll and a sigh, while building my first personal dictionary.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Language is imperfect. Why should Klingon be different?</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 15, 2019, at 9:03 AM, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" class="">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/15/2019 7:11 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<div dir="auto" class="">SuStel:</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">> So QochHa' can mean undoing a state of >
disagreement, or it can mean disagreeing</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">> with the wrong thing or at an </div>
<div dir="auto" class="">> inappropriate time.</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">I would like to discuss this a little more, just
to be certain that I understand {QochHa'} correctly.</div>
</blockquote><p class="">I consider the meaning of <b class="">QochHa'</b> to be a little
uncertain, so what I say here is just speculation.<br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">By "undoing a state of disagreement", we mean that
"we disagreed and now we agree again".</div>
</blockquote><p class="">Yes, or it could just mean that there was an implicit assumption
of disagreement that has been proven wrong by me saying I agreed
with you all along.<br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">By "disagreeing with the wrong thing", we mean
that "I thought it was a fox, you thought it was a dog, so we
disagreed, although what it actually was, was a sheep".</div>
</blockquote><p class="">No, it would be more like "I don't think it was a fox, I think
it's a dog." "But we're talking about the elephant."<br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">By "disagreeing at an inappropriate time", we mean
that "the time was inappropriate because it was late at night,
or because we where disagreeing about feeding the cat while our
planet was collapsing".</div>
</blockquote><p class="">It would be like disagreeing with something that wasn't stated to
be an objective fact. "I like that." "I disagree!"<br class="">
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