<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">The existence of {ja’chuq} in the dictionary implies that the direct object is a person. There is no *{jatlhchuq}*.<div class=""> <br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 15, 2019, at 12:17 PM, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" class="">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/15/2019 11:50 AM, Will Martin
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:1FCF38BB-E848-45F3-ADDA-2DF61201301E@mac.com" class="">I remember
there being a time that Okrand explained that the difference
between {jatlh} and {ja’} was that the direct object of {jatlh}
was the language or the text being spoken, while the object of
{ja’} was the person being addressed.</blockquote><p class="">I do not believe he has ever outright stated what the object of <b class="">ja'</b>
should be. On the other hand, you yourself once interviewed him (<a href="http://klingonska.org/canon/1998-12-holqed-07-4.txt" class="">http://klingonska.org/canon/1998-12-holqed-07-4.txt</a>)
and stated that the typical object of <b class="">ja'</b> would be the
person addressed, and he never responded to that. He has, however,
talked about what the object of <b class="">jatlh</b> should be (<a href="http://klingonska.org/canon/1997-06-29a-news.txt" class="">http://klingonska.org/canon/1997-06-29a-news.txt</a>),
and it's the language being spoken or a word referring to the
speech (like <b class="">SoQ</b><i class=""> speech, lecture, address</i>). It's
not the actual words; those are quoted as per TKD's section on
sentences as objects. The indirect object of <b class="">jatlh,</b> he
also said, is the listener.</p><p class="">In canon, Okrand has only ever used a word like <b class="">lut</b> as
the object of <b class="">ja'.</b> He has never explicitly used a person
as its object. He's used prefixes that indicate a person being
reported to, but there's no way to distinguish whether it's an
elided direct object or a reference to in indirect object using
the prefix trick.<br class="">
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