<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 12:26, mayqel qunen'oS <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I used {-na'} because in my mind, I had attributed to it the meaning<br>
"to be real, true" as opposed to "counterfeit". In other words,<br>
somewhere along the way, I started perceiving the {-na'} to be<br>
conveying a meaning opposite to the verb {ngeb}.<br>
<br>
Luckily though, yesterday, I had the idea of checking with the tkd.<br>
So, lets remember, the way {-na'} is defined:<br>
<br>
tkd:<br>
> {-na'} <definite><br>
> This is the counterpart of {-Hey.} It indicates that there is no<br>
> doubt in the speaker's mind as to the accuracy of his or her<br>
> choice of words. Once the Klingon officer referred to above is<br>
> sure that the object the scanner has found is a vessel, he might<br>
> report the presence of {Dujna'} <a definite vessel, undoubtedly a<br>
> vessel.><br>
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So, after reading the relevant tkd part, I understood that by saying<br>
{tamghayna' 'oH Hurghchu'ghach'e'}, I'm not actually saying "perfect<br>
darkness is the true light" (true as opposed to fake/counterfeit).<br>
<br>
By saying {tamghayna' 'oH Hurghchu'ghach'e'}, i'm actually saying<br>
"perfect darkness is the definite light" as in "perfect darkness is<br>
surely the light".<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You're missing something fundamental. A verb used adjectivally describes something about *the noun* it follows. The suffix {-na'} indicates the degree of *your* (the speaker's) certainty about it. {Dujna'} is not "a vessel that is definite", it is "a thing that the speaker is sure is definitely a vessel". {teH} and {-na'} are not even comparable, because they apply to different things.</div><div><br></div><div>A {ngeblaw'bogh Dujna'} is a thing which the speaker is sure is a ship (as opposed to, say, a missile), but which he or she thinks may be fake (i.e., definitely a ship, but a fake ship as opposed to a real ship).</div></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">De'vID</div></div>