<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I have a lot of respect for the aversion to carelessness being applied to these dictionaries. Over time, earlier mistakes come back to haunt you.</div><div><br></div><div>This is why I think that our dictionaries should either be mission centered, like the New Words List, or they should include annotations for the word’s source, or perhaps its method of construction.</div><div><br></div><div>If you know about the {QeD}/{tej} rule and you want to provide the service of the names of types of scientists that we know words for their science, then it’s worth noting that there is a rule and not an Okrandian lexicon entry for that word.</div><div><br></div><div>I’ve noticed that unlike many earlier dictionaries, boQwI’ has the facility to show notes about a word instead of just a definition. If it were my call, I’d suggest that you make the entries and note them as derived, rather than revealed. You can even mentions the rule from which it was derived.</div><br>charghwI’<br><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Sent from my iPad</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jul 26, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Steven Boozer <<a href="mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As far as I know, the only Okrandian {tejpu’} are:
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Hovtej astronomer<br>
mI' tej mathematician<br>
quntej historian<br>
yuQtej geographer<br>
'otlhtej someone who studies quantum mechanics.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">… while there are many more official {QeDmey}:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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HolQeD linguistics <br>
Hov leng QeD “Treknology”<br>
HovQeD astronomy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">HuchQeD economics
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nughQeD sociology<br>
porghQeD the scientific study of bodily functions<br>
DI'ruj QeD metaphysics<br>
HapQeD physics<br>
no'QeD genealogy<br>
rayQeD genetics<br>
roSqa'QeD archaeology<br>
tamlerQeD chemistry<br>
yuQQeD geography <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">'otlhQeD quantum mechanics, quantum theory<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">So no, I see nothing wrong with deriving *{Xtej} from a known {XQeD}, or vice versa. I do it myself regularly in my own dictionary but I always mark them with
asterisks to show their non-official status. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’ve even added completely non-Okrandian sciences invented by myself or others on the mailing list – e.g. *{De'QeD} “cybernetics” and *{De'tej} “cyberneticist”
– though I wouldn’t recommend doing it for the boQwI’ database since it is used extensively by others.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In fact, I just thought of a new one: *{QeDQeD} for the history (i.e. study) of science, which would make someone who specializes in this field a *{QeDtej}!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Ca'Non Master of the Klingons</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> tlhIngan-Hol <<a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org">tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>De'vID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 16:16, nIqolay Q <<a href="mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com" target="_blank">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">Your use of {roSqa'tej} reminded me of something.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">At the 2014 Saarbrücken {qepHom'a'} (and possibly on other occasions), Okrand made a remark along the lines that, generally, if there's a {QeD}, there's a corresponding {tej}. Sometimes he explicitly reveals
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">Do people who maintain lexicons for themselves generally add the corresponding {tej} when a {QeD} is revealed, for consistency and convenience? I'm in the unusual position* that I maintain a lexicon (the {boQwI'}
database) which is used mostly by other people, so if I have an entry for "quantum physicist" (because Okrand revealed {'otlhQeD} and {'otlhtej} together), and an entry for {HapQeD} "physics" but *not* a corresponding entry for {Haptej} "physicist", it looks
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">"Physicist", "chemist", and "genealogist" are common enough words, and their Klingon etymology obvious enough, that I'm going to add entries for them. However, I'm hesitant to add "archaeologist" or "geneticist"
since the {QeD} isn't attached to a known word in {roSqa'QeD} or {rayQeD}. Or would people accept {roSqa'tej} and {raytej} as legitimate "dictionary words" under the {XQeD} -> {Xtej} rule-of-thumb? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">(In the other direction: Is there anyone who would *not* accept {Haptej} for "physicist", simply because Okrand didn't *explicitly* write it out somewhere, despite the fact that Okrand explained the rule for
deriving it, and explicitly revealed the pair {'otlhQeD}-{'otlhtej} for a *specific* type of physicist?)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">I'm on the fence about {DI'ruj tej}, which would be something like "metaphysicist" or "metaphysician", because it's kind of an obscure word in English. Should I add an entry for it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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