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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/22/2019 10:19 AM, nIqolay Q wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:15 AM
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<div class="gmail-m_-8483318733063006279moz-cite-prefix">On
7/22/2019 2:52 AM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:<br>
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<div>This is a summery of all the new information we gained.
Most of it is also included on the new words list, but I
compiled it all together for ease of reference.</div>
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<p><b>Hoy</b> is <i>be refined, be fancy, be sophisticated
[pertaining to culture].</i> Does that bracketed note
apply only to the final synonym, <i>sophisticated,</i> or
the whole definition?</p>
<p>That is, does <b>Hoy</b> mean <i>be refined, fancy, not
boorish</i> or <i>be refined in a cultural sense, fancy
in a cultural sense, sophisticated in a cultural sense</i>?<br>
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class="gmail_default">I suspect the bracketed note applies to
"sophisticated" to distinguish it from the sense of "advanced"
(as in "This engineering is quite sophisticated").<br>
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class="gmail_default">The original request on the KLI page
(which I understand MO was provided with) was "Having
characteristics associated with the upper class, possibly due
to being particularly elaborate or due to arbitrarily
culturally valued attributes. 'We are dinner at a fancy
restaurant two nights ago.' 'Only a sufficiently sophisticated
individual will appreciate the performance.'"</div>
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<p>Your first paragraph is the argument in favor of <i>be refined,
fancy, not boorish,</i> while your second paragraph is the
argument in favor of restricting the verb entirely to a cultural
sense.</p>
<p>For instance, could I say <b>'uSqan Hoy</b><i> refined iron,</i>
or would that only refer to culturally fancy iron? Given the
original request, I suspect not, but the written clarification on
the new words page is poorly positioned.<br>
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