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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/9/2019 9:29 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:jnn0m4el7eebqec3iejk6scq.1562678949631@email.android.com">
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">First goes the
{'Iv}/{chay'}/{nuq} etc, if it's a question.</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Then the time
stamp.</p>
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<p>No, first comes the time element.</p>
<p><b>'Iv</b> and <b>nuq</b> — and by extension, <b>nuqDaq</b> —
go in the sentence where the answer would be. It's only <b>chay',
ghorgh,</b> and <b>qatlh</b> that go at the front. And what
counts as "front" depends on exactly how complex a sentence Okrand
was thinking of when he made the rule.<br>
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cite="mid:jnn0m4el7eebqec3iejk6scq.1562678949631@email.android.com">
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Then assume we
have an adverbial and a type-5'ed noun.</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Does the
adverbial *have* to precede the type-5'ed noun ? Or does the
type-5'ed noun *have* to precede the adverbial ?</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">I think, there
is no *definite* answer on this matter, and that it comes down
to personal preference.</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Is this
correct, or is there indeed a *definite* answer on the matter ?</p>
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<p>TKD doesn't make it clear which words have precedence for the
beginning of the sentence. Section 5.4: adverbials "usually come
at the beginning of a sentence." Section 6.1: any noun in the
sentence other than subject or object comes "before the object
noun." Section 6.4: those three question words "occur at the
beginning of the sentence." Addendum section 6.7: time elements
come before adverbials. Time elements are only described as the
most common sort of element to precede an adverbial, so it's
possible that other elements can too, though I couldn't tell you
what they might be.<br>
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<p>Canon doesn't appear to be too overly concerned with carefully
ordering these elements. I can't offhand think of any notable
exceptions to the general rules, but I'm sure there are some
interesting bits out there to find. The trouble is that some of
the best stuff is poetic in nature, making word order suspect.<br>
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<p>In general, I go by this formula:</p>
<p><time elements> <adverbials and syntactic noun
phrases> <objects> <verb> <subjects></p>
<p>Adverbials tend to float toward the front of the "adverbials and
syntactic noun phrases" part of their space, though I don't think
this is an absolute. If you always put adverbials before syntactic
noun phrases I don't think you'd have any trouble. The three
"beginning of the sentence" question words are essentially
adverbial in nature, and should be counted as adverbials for the
purpose of sentence order.</p>
<p>So no, there are no definite answers, but there are some hints
and trends.<br>
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