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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 17:15,
mayqel qunen'oS <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target="_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">There's
something, which feels strange seeing/reading the
{ghaHlu'}, but I can't find what it actually is.</p>
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<div>I think this is impossible, because {-lu'} works with the
pronominal prefixes, and pronouns never take prefixes. </div>
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<p>Prefixes aren't inherent to the job that <b>-lu'</b> plays.
Using <b>-lu'</b> simply makes you use <i>different</i>
prefixes.</p></div></blockquote><div>If something never takes prefixes to begin with, how can it ever take different prefixes? That's the problem I have with trying to interpret something like {ghaHlu'}.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p>The sentence <b>Daqawlu'taH</b><i> you will be remembered</i> is
simply a pronoun-elided version of <b>SoH Daqawlu'taH.</b> The
prefix doesn't make the indefinite subject work; it simply agrees
in a different way than sentences with subjects. All the <b>-lu'</b>
really means is "no subject here."</p></div></blockquote><div>I don't see what this has to do with pronouns. We know how {-lu'} works with (normal) verbs. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p>I can't see any problem with using <b>-lu'</b> with the
third-person pronouns. First- and second-person pronoun "to be"
sentences use the pronoun itself as the subject; third-person "to
be" sentences can take third-person nouns as their subjects. <b>verengan
ghaHlu'chugh, qurlu'ba'</b><i> If one is a Ferengi, one is
obviously greedy.</i> This is just the no-subject equivalent to
<b>verengan ghaHchugh vay''e', qurba' vay'vetlh.</b></p></div>
</blockquote></div>But you do see a problem with using {-lu'} with {jIH} and {SoH}. "I, who am indefinite, am..." would be a weird thing to say (outside of maybe a philosophical work).<div><br></div><div>I think this extends to {ghaHlu'} as well. I read {ghaHlu'} as something self-contradictory, like "he or she, who is indefinite, is...". I understand your interpretation, but I don't see any reason to think third-person works any differently than first- or second-person.<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">De'vID</div></div></div>