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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/27/2019 9:22 AM, terrence.donnelly
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:20190627132207.8E99B21F458@pdx1-mailman02.dreamhost.com">Since
when has any suffix besides -'e' been legal on either noun which
is the subject or object of a relative verb? Did Okrand change his
statement that he couldn't make it work as anything but subject or
object and I missed it?</blockquote>
<p>I think you've misunderstood what Okrand was saying.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://klingonska.org/canon/1995-06-holqed-04-2-a.txt"><http://klingonska.org/canon/1995-06-holqed-04-2-a.txt></a>
Lawrence's question was "We know that the head-noun of a relative
clause can be the subject or the object; the question is, can it
be any other case?" He means the head noun can be the subject or
the object of the relative clause, not the main clause.</p>
<p>When Okrand said "I couldn't make the <b>-bogh</b> thing work
for me with anything other than subject or object," he means the
head noun couldn't be, for instance, a locative attached to the
relative clause.</p>
<p>That's the "ship in which I fled" problem. You can construct a
relative clause around a ship that does something or a ship which
has something done to it, but you can't construct relative clause
around a ship in which, for which, or because of which something
is done.</p>
<p>Good:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><b>mutlha' Duj vIjunpu'bogh</b><i><br>
The ship which I evaded chases me.</i></p>
<p><b>mutlha' mujunpu'bogh Duj<br>
</b><i>The ship which evaded me chases me.</i></p>
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<p>Bad:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><b>mutlha' DujDaq jIjunpu'bogh<br>
</b><i>The ship in which I evaded chases me. </i>(NOT ALLOWED)</p>
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<p>But the following works fine, because the head noun, though a
locative for the main clause, is still just the object of the
relative clause:<br>
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<p><b>DujDaq vIjunpu'bogh jIghoq<br>
</b><i>I spy aboard the ship which evaded me.</i><br>
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