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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/14/2019 3:52 AM, Rhona Fenwick
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:PS2P216MB0897248C2A393DA6A1F36EE9AAEE0@PS2P216MB0897.KORP216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM">With
all due respect to SuStel, his suggested parallel with
<b>Sum</b> or <b>Hop</b> doesn't hold water, because these verbs
are canonically adjectival and so they can't take objects in any
case:</blockquote>
<p>I think you misunderstand me. I'm not suggesting that we look at
<b>Sum</b> and mimic its grammar. I've given the principle by
which I think it works and pointing to <b>Sum</b> to illustrate
something similar.</p>
<p>The principle is this: <b>-Daq</b> tells you the location at
which the verb occurs, not, in this case, the destination of the
action. When we think of coming closer, we tend to think in terms
of being the moving entity heading toward the destination. I'm
suggesting that we may have that backwards: we should think in
terms of being the stationary entity, watching the moving entity
coming closer to us.</p>
<p>Let's get away from <i>you</i> and <i>me,</i> as this may skew
our perceptions. Let's talk about a ship getting closer to a
planet. The moving entity is the ship, so it is the subject of <b>chol.</b>
If I say <b>yuQDaq chol Duj,</b> we can interpret that in one of
two ways. We can consider <b>yuQDaq</b> to be the destination — a
reading I'm rejecting here — or we can consider <b>yuQDaq</b> the
place at which <b>chol</b> is occurring. We're at the planet,
watching the ship come closer to us. <i>At the planet, the ship
comes closer.</i></p>
<p>The reason I bring up <b>Sum</b> is because it works much the
same way. <b>yuQDaq Sum Duj</b><i> The ship is near the planet;
At the planet, the ship is nearby.</i> This has nothing to do
with whether either verb can take an object; it's purely about the
locative viewpoint of the sentence. The location of the action is
not with the subject; it's with the locative.<br>
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<p>So we can do this with first- and second-person pronouns too. <b>SoHDaq
jIchol</b><i> I get closer to you.</i> The <b>SoHDaq</b> is not
saying that I'm coming closer, heading to you<i>. </i>It's saying
that from where you are, I'm coming closer. This is where the
canonical use of <b>Sum</b> is useful, because we have <b>SoHDaq
Sum raS,</b> where <b>SoHDaq</b> "throws the orientation away
from the speaker (unmarked, unstated) and to the listener (marked,
stated: "at you, where you are"). <i>From where you are, the
table is nearby.</i><b> SoHDaq jIchol</b><i> From where you are,
I come closer.</i><br>
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