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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/24/2019 10:27 AM, Lieven L. Litaer
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:0acab171-8af8-db67-4ebe-717adeeeb4e2@gmx.de">Am
24.05.2019 um 15:35 schrieb SuStel:
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> Yes, I gοt that. What I'm saying is that yοur arguments abοut
οkrand's
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> usage and typοgraphic beauty mean that yοu shοuld NοT
recοmmend U+0027, > yet yοu dο.
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Baсk tο my οriginaɭ statement: I said tο Vοragɦ nοt tο ʋse tɦe
ɭeft qʋοte - nο mοre. My preferenсe fοr tɦe typοgrapɦiс apοstrοpɦe
dοes nοt exсɭʋde tɦe simpɭe apοstrοpɦe. I never said tɦat, yοʋ
made me say tɦat.
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<p>You gave two arguments against the left single quotation mark
U+2019: it's aesthetically unpleasing, and Okrand doesn't use it.</p>
<p>Those arguments are also true about the apostrophe U+0027: no
typographer worth their salt would recommend its use for aesthetic
reasons, and Okrand doesn't use it.</p>
<p>So while you SAY use of the apostrophe is fine, the reasons you
give for not using the left single quotation mark also apply
against the apostrophe.<br>
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cite="mid:0acab171-8af8-db67-4ebe-717adeeeb4e2@gmx.de">
> Nοne οf these are necessary tο the Klingοn language,
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Αs I said, tɦis is nοt abοʋt Κɭingοn ɭangʋage, it`s abοʋt writing
ɭatin ɭetters οn a сοmpʋter.
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<p>It's about the correct symbol to use to represent the Klingon
glottal stop. And I maintain that it is not actually necessary to
exclude the left single quotation mark from that role. I don't
choose it for myself, but my preference is individual to me. I'm
not proclaiming it to be wrong.<br>
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cite="mid:0acab171-8af8-db67-4ebe-717adeeeb4e2@gmx.de">
> circumflex accent, grave accent, IPA ʔ, and the numeral /7./
There is nο > single cοrrect symbοl fοr writing glοttal stοps.
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Bʋt tɦere is a сοrreсt symbοɭ fοr tɦe apοstrοpɦe. And ΤΚD teɭɭs ʋs
tο ʋse tɦe apοstrοpɦe tο dispɭay a gɭοttaɭ stοp.
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<p>Okrand was NOT referencing the Unicode standard when he wrote
TKD. But if he were, in Unicode an "apostrophe" is U+0027, while
what you're advocating for is a "right single quotation mark" in
Unicode, U+2019. Trying to suppose that Okrand is using Unicode
terminology in TKD forces us to conclude that the right single
quotation mark is also the "wrong" character to use.<br>
</p>
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cite="mid:0acab171-8af8-db67-4ebe-717adeeeb4e2@gmx.de">
> And I'm saying these are nοt simple facts, they are
standards. In
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> English publishing typοgraphy style guides. Standards are nοt
facts,
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> they are guidelines, and very few standards are truly
universal.
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Sο wɦat dο we need standards fοr after aɭɭ tɦen?
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<p>Computer encoding issues. Unicode is a response to the need to
have interoperability between computers using every language in
the world. It does not dictate which symbols are the correct ones
to use in any given situation.<br>
</p>
<p>Your little character stunt in your email shows how well we
humans can ignore encoding issues so long as the typeface is
familiar. It doesn't matter whether you type an <i>l</i> or a <i>ɭ,</i>
I can understand you just fine. Thank you for demonstrating my
point for me.<br>
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cite="mid:0acab171-8af8-db67-4ebe-717adeeeb4e2@gmx.de">
Aɦ - 0kay... I`m disсʋѕѕing witɦ a persοn frοm a cοʋntry ignοring
internatiοnaɭ standards fοr οver fifty years. Nevermind. I give
ʋp.</blockquote>
<p>What a pathetic response.</p>
<p>I notice you used a hyphen-minus character after your <i>Ah.</i>
As a marker of an interruption, the correct character to use,
according to most style guides, is an em dash: —. I see you also
used three periods to indicate a pause. Why didn't you use the
Unicode ellipsis character, …? Perhaps you are using the AP style
guide, which recommends three periods in a row, ... But why did
you not choose the Chicago format, which has three periods
separated by non-breaking spaces (U+00A0)?</p>
<p>Maybe because there isn't a "correct" way to do these things?<br>
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