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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/24/2019 3:17 AM, Lieven L. Litaer
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:7105cc5f-ebea-f5f6-64a6-1000228a3922@gmx.de">Am
24.05.2019 um 02:53 schrieb SuStel:
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<blockquote type="cite">I don't see how this leaves the apostrophe
(U+0027) an acceptable
<br>
character to use.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Oh, I think you misunderstood me here. In my first messages I
wrote
<br>
<br>
>> You have weird apostrophes there.
<br>
>> I suggest simple ' or fancy ’, but never ‘.
<br>
<br>
This means I suggest U+0027 and U+2019, but never U+2018. It's
only this
<br>
last one I say you should not use.
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<p>Yes, I got that. What I'm saying is that your arguments about
Okrand's usage and typographic beauty mean that you should NOT
recommend U+0027, yet you do.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:7105cc5f-ebea-f5f6-64a6-1000228a3922@gmx.de">
<blockquote type="cite">Is there an acceptable typeface for
Klingon? A recommended line spacing?
<br>
Do bullets have to be triangles? How far down the typography
hole do we
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Now you are the one going cynical again.
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</blockquote>
<p>I'm not being cynical; I'm trying to illustrate taking a standard
and claiming it's an objectively true rule. Some people do
recommend serif over sans serif typefaces, but that's for the
ability to distinguish I from l, not because any particular
typeface is more correct than another. Of course no one would
claim that any particular line spacing is necessary, but it's true
that line spacings of 0.5 or 20 spaces per line would be
problematical for practical reasons. I can easily imagine someone
claiming, because Klingons tend to use triangles in their
graphics, that Klingon punctuation like bullets should be
triangular.</p>
<p>None of these are necessary to the Klingon language, and none of
them would be advocated by <b>pIqaD</b>-using Klingons, who
wouldn't care because it's not their writing system. So what makes
punctuation any different? Outside of the IPA, there is no
universal, standard symbol for a glottal stop, so which character
we choose to represent it is pretty much arbitrary.</p>
<p>See Wikipedia on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glottal_stop#Writing">writing
glottal stops</a>, which lists a whole lot of languages that use
a whole lot of different symbols for the glottal stop: apostrophe,
reversed apostrophe, the letter <i>k,</i> the letter <i>q,</i>
aleph, palochka, heng, double apostrophe, sokuon, hyphen,
circumflex accent, grave accent, IPA ʔ, and the numeral <i>7.</i>
There is no single correct symbol for writing glottal stops.<br>
</p>
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cite="mid:7105cc5f-ebea-f5f6-64a6-1000228a3922@gmx.de">
<blockquote type="cite">aesthetically please choice for the
*qaghwI'.* I just don't see any
<br>
reason to claim that left single quotation marks, or even
apostrophes,
<br>
are "just the wrong symbol."
<br>
</blockquote>
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As I wrote before: you misunderstood me here. There are some
things,
<br>
which are not my opinion, but just a simple fact.
<br>
</blockquote>
<p>And I'm saying these are not simple facts, they are standards. In
English publishing typography style guides. Standards are not
facts, they are guidelines, and very few standards are truly
universal. A well-known xkcd <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://xkcd.com/927/">cartoon</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>SITUATION: There are 14 competing standards.</p>
<p>"14? Ridiculous! We need to develop one universal standard that
covers everyone's use cases."<br>
"Yeah!"</p>
<p>Soon:</p>
<p>SITUATION: There are 15 competing standards.<br>
</p>
</blockquote>
<p><br>
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cite="mid:7105cc5f-ebea-f5f6-64a6-1000228a3922@gmx.de">
The following is a direct quote from Wikipedia (Okay, that page
can be
<br>
edited by anyone, but let's put that topic aside)
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Unicode defines three apostrophe characters:
<br>
U+0027 ' APOSTROPHE Typewriter apostrophe.
<br>
<br>
U+2019 ’ RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
<br>
<br>
Punctuation apostrophe. Serves as both an apostrophe and
closing
<br>
single quotation mark. This is the preferred character to use for
<br>
apostrophe according to the Unicode standard.
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</blockquote>
<p>"According to the Unicode standard" is the key phrase here.
Unicode does not act as the arbiter of "correct" punctuation. The
purpose of Unicode is to express the writing systems of the world,
not to dictate them.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:7105cc5f-ebea-f5f6-64a6-1000228a3922@gmx.de">
So, all I'm saying is: please do not use the left single quotation
mark.
<br>
It's the wrong symbol which usually only appears due to some
autocorrect
<br>
function.
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</blockquote>
<p>So much for "I don't want to convince anyone of writing any
specificic [sic] way." You are asking that we write in a specific
way, and making an argument to convince us that doing what you say
is objectively correct.<br>
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