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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/21/2019 10:00 AM, De'vID wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 21 May 2019 at
13:11, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name"
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<p class="MsoNormal">Feel free to ignore that list. It
says “Klingonists agree,” but I don’t remember any
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<div>It says "Klingonists have agreed that using commas is a
very useful thing to make phrases clear." While this
statement is not sufficiently supported by evidence on the
page itself, are you saying it's untrue? Does anyone
disagree that using commas is useful for making phrases
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<p>I'm saying that Lieven's intuitive feeling about what Klingonists
agree on should not be taken as a mandate. mayqel cited that page
as if it is authoritative, or at least asking why he should do
what it advises.<br>
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<div>This is followed by "Over time, Klingonists have
generally settled on these practices on the mailing list and
other online places, not as a matter of policy, but as a
convention." The practices listed seem to me to generally be
what is usually followed, here on this mailing list and also
elsewhere when Klingon is written in Latin script as
plain-text ASCII. I say "generally" because there's some
variation, e.g., I use <single angle brackets> instead
of the <<double angle brackets>> listed on that
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<div>Nobody is obliged to follow common practice, but the
reason it exists is because it's what most people do.</div>
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<p>Which is still not a mandate, but it IS covered by my citing of
what "will be best understood and accepted by your audience."</p>
<p>mayqel has left the list before, because of an argument over
punctuation. I'm telling him that there are no commandments
regarding it, and if he's going to pay attention to that page, he
has to pay close attention to the "but as a convention" part.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just use whatever punctuation you
think best expresses what you want and will be best
understood and accepted by your audience.</p>
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<div>Which will probably end up being very similar to what's
listed on that page.</div>
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<p>Then why are you arguing with me? This was where I was leading
him, without telling him he has to just do what everyone else
says.</p>
<p>Once again, I understand what mayqel is getting at with his posts
on this. He has his own ideas about punctuation and he wants to
use it to be expressive, but he also feels the pressure of
conformity. He wants to know just how much he has to do what he
sees on that page, and why he has to listen to anybody. I'm trying
to get him started, not smack him with the end result.<br>
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