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<p><b class="">loS... qIb HeHDaq, 'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh
lenglu'meH He ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq 'oHtaH.</b><i class=""><br>
It waits... on the edge of the galaxy, beside a passage to
unknown regions of the universe</i> (SkyBox 99)</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/1/2019 3:31 PM, Will Martin wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:6A37189A-24E3-4995-A942-C7D159662417@mac.com">
<div class="">Actually, the interesting part is that he starts
with a main verb, then goes on to list locatives that apparently
apply to the previously stated verb, suggesting that this must
be poetry, since it defies all norms for Klingon grammar.</div>
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<p>Oh come on! It's perfectly grammatical. Trim off the extraneous <b>loS:</b></p>
<p><b>qIb HeHDaq</b><i> on the edge of the galaxy</i></p>
<p><b>'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh</b><i> to unknown regions of the
universe</i></p>
<p><b>lenglu'meH He ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq</b><i> beside a way one
follows in order that one travels</i></p>
<p><b>'oHtaH</b><i> it is</i></p>
<p>This is a "to be" sentence with a long, nested locative and a
shorter locative.<br>
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<p>The first locative is <b>qIb HeHDaq.</b> This specifies the
location of Deep Space 9.</p>
<p>The next locative is <b>'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh lenglu'meH
He ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq</b><i> beside a passage to unknown
regions of the universe.</i></p>
<p>Start with a noun:<br>
<b>retlhDaq</b><i> beside</i> (simple locative)<br>
Now look at a noun phrase: <b>He ghoSlu'bogh</b><i> way which one
follows<br>
</i>Add a purpose clause to this phrase: <b>lenglu'meH He
ghoSlu'bogh</b><i> way which one follows in order to travel<br>
</i>Now invent a destination: <b>'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh</b><i>
to unknown regions of the universe<br>
</i>Put this destination on the traveling: <b>'u' SepmeyDaq
Sovbe'lu'bogh lenglu'meH He ghoSlu'bogh</b><i> way which one
follows in order to travel to unknown regions of the universe<br>
</i>This is a noun phrase. Now use this to modify the original
noun:<br>
<b>'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh lenglu'meH He ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq</b><i>
beside the way which one follows in order to travel to unknown
regions of the universe.<br>
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<p>That's not poetry. That's just complicated.<br>
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cite="mid:6A37189A-24E3-4995-A942-C7D159662417@mac.com">
<div class=""> We’d be hard pressed to find another example where
he does this. It fits the English translation pretty well, but
it’s not grammatical in Klingon. Locatives don’t follow the
verbs to which they apply.</div>
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<p>He has not done that here.<br>
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cite="mid:6A37189A-24E3-4995-A942-C7D159662417@mac.com">
<div class=""> So it doesn’t look like a great precedence-setting
example for a verb in the middle of a noun-noun construction,
unless we want to also accept that it’s fine for us to put
locatives at the end of a sentence, now.</div>
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<p>No one has suggested such a thing.<br>
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cite="mid:6A37189A-24E3-4995-A942-C7D159662417@mac.com">
<div class="">Your second example carries a lot more weight.
Clearly, that is a noun-noun construction {romulusngan nejwI’}
with the second noun being described by {Sambogh ‘ej HoHbogh},
which is also interesting, because it would be more typical of
other canon to have said {romuluSngan Sambogh nejwI’ HoHbogh
je.}, if I’m remembering the song lyrics correctly. Probably
not.</div>
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<p>It would be more typical of other canon to have said <b>romuluSngan
Sambogh nejwI' 'ej HoHbogh.</b> There is just one time where a <b>je</b>
was used for something like this, and that WAS poetry. This is
not. Klingon canon has examples of both the X Vbogh 'ej Wbogh Y
and X vbogh Y 'ej Wbogh forms, but only the one song with the
Wbogh, Ybogh je X form.<br>
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