<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">First, they couldn’t omit {-Daq} because {Saq} doesn’t mean “land on”. It just means “land, set down on land (like a bird)”. There is no locative direct object, like {ghoS}. The Moon is the location of the landing, not the direct object of the action of landing.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Second, they didn’t carry out the mission on the Moon. The purpose of the mission was to land on the Moon, so the “on the Moon” location applies only to the purpose of the mission, not the carrying out of the mission. They carried out the mission from the launch from the surface of the Earth, to landing in the ocean and everywhere along the long, loopy path in between. The mission was not complete until the astronauts were safe at home and the moon rocks and photographic film were delivered to the appropriate entities on Earth.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thirdly, {maS SaqmeH Qu’} is ungrammatical because you can’t put a verb in the middle of a noun-noun possessive construction.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have no problem with {maSDaq SaqmeH Qu’} meaning “The mission which has the purpose of [something] landing on the moon. It is a little ambiguous because without a stated subject for {Saq}, you could interpret it as “In order that the mission lands on the Moon…”, but then we’d have to find something later to apply this purpose to, and there aren’t any good candidates. Besides, how does a mission land on the Moon?</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 1, 2019, at 12:50 PM, mayqel qunen'oS <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class="">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="d_1556729417552" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 9pt; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">SuStel:</div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> If that mission happens at the moon, it is <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> a maSDaq SaqmeH Qu' landing mission <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> on the moon. The locative is added to the <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> verb as usual.</div><br class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">If I understand your analysis correctly, the {maSDaq} refers to the {SaqmeH Qu'}.</div><br class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Isn't it strange though ?</div><br class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Lets take just the phrase {maSDaq SaqmeH Qu' wa'DIch HochHom turlu'taHvIS}</div><br class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Couldn't we understand this too, as the {maSDaq} describing the place where the {turlu'taHvIS} takes place ?</div><br class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">If the intent was for the {maSDaq} to refer to the {SaqmeH Qu'}, instead of the {turlu'taHvIS}, why not omit the {-Daq} altogether ?</div><br class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Then we would have {maS SaqmeH Qu'} meaning "landing mission of the moon", which I can't *feel* any different from "landing mission on the moon".</div><br class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Having the {-Daq}ed noun referring to the {-meH}ed noun, just messes me up, is all..</div><br class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">~ m. qunen'oS<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">klingon is a work of art<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">all other conlangs are crap</div><br class=""></div><div class="quoted_separate_body" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div id="quoted_header" style="clear: both;" class=""></div><br type="attribution" class=""><div id="quoted_body" class=""></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">tlhIngan-Hol mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org" class="">tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org" class="">http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>