<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Actually, the interesting part is that he starts with a main verb, then goes on to list locatives that apparently apply to the previously stated verb, suggesting that this must be poetry, since it defies all norms for Klingon grammar. We’d be hard pressed to find another example where he does this. It fits the English translation pretty well, but it’s not grammatical in Klingon. Locatives don’t follow the verbs to which they apply. So it doesn’t look like a great precedence-setting example for a verb in the middle of a noun-noun construction, unless we want to also accept that it’s fine for us to put locatives at the end of a sentence, now.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Your second example carries a lot more weight. Clearly, that is a noun-noun construction {romulusngan nejwI’} with the second noun being described by {Sambogh ‘ej HoHbogh}, which is also interesting, because it would be more typical of other canon to have said {romuluSngan Sambogh nejwI’ HoHbogh je.}, if I’m remembering the song lyrics correctly. Probably not.</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 1, 2019, at 3:09 PM, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" class="">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/1/2019 2:55 PM, SuStel wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">Thirdly, {maS SaqmeH Qu’} is ungrammatical because
you can’t put a verb in the middle of a noun-noun possessive
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</blockquote><p class="">Says who? <b class="">SaqmeH Qu'</b> is a noun phrase, and noun phrases
can count as the "noun" parts of a noun-noun construction. Are
you saying that if I have a <b class="">pe'meH taj</b><i class=""> cutting knife,
</i>I can't talk about the <b class="">jonwI' pe'meH taj</b><i class="">
engineer's cutting knife</i>?</p>
</blockquote><p class="">Here's another unambiguous counterexample:</p><p class=""><b class="">loS... qIb HeHDaq, 'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh lenglu'meH He
ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq 'oHtaH.<br class="">
</b><i class="">It waits... on the edge of the galaxy, beside a passage to
unknown regions of the universe</i> (SkyBox 99)</p><p class="">The interesting part is <b class="">He ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq</b><i class=""> beside
a passage, next to a way which one follows.</i> Here you have
clearly have <b class="">He ghoSlu'bogh</b><i class=""> passage, way which one
follows</i> modifying <b class="">retlhDaq</b> <i class="">at the area next to</i>,
where a verb comes between the component nouns.</p><p class="">And of course there's the infamous <b class="">romuluSngan Sambogh 'ej
HoHbogh nejwI'</b> <i class="">Romulan hunter-killer probe,</i> a device
made by Romulans, not one which hunts and kills Romulans. A
noun-noun construction where one of the component noun phrases is
<b class="">Sambogh 'ej HoHbogh nejwI'.</b> Clearly, you can put a lot of
non-nouns between terms in a noun-noun construction.<br class="">
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