<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Excellent analysis of a very complex sentence.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The only thing I’d add for educational purposes is that because of the word order for Klingon sentences, it’s really only context that associates the locative with the purpose clause. Grammatically, it could apply to either the purpose clause or “while” clause, or the main clause, but context tells us that the command module never made it to the moon, nor did 1/3 of the space travelers, so the locative only applies to the landing, which is the purpose of the mission. It’s the “in order to land on the Moon” mission, translated as “first manned lunar landing mission".</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It’s interesting that the Klingon translation doesn’t actually say that it’s a manned mission. They could have explicitly added {nuv} or some such as subject of {SaqmeH}. It could have been more explicit, like: </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">{tera’ jar Soch, DIS wa’ Hut jav Hut, maSDaq SaqmeH Human Qu’ wa’DIch HochHom turlu’taHvIS, wej logh lengwI’pu’ pa’mey ‘oH Apollo wa’maH wa’ ra’ghom bobcho Columbia’e’.}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">"Earth month seven, year 1969, while carrying out most of the first in-order-that-a-human-lands-on-the-moon mission, the Apollo 11 command module Columbia was the three space travelers' rooms.” </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It’s even more interesting since, if you are familiar with the command module, you probably would have considered it to be one room, avoiding the whole issue of whether the main verb should have been {‘oH} or {bIH}.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So, the time stamp applies to all the clauses, while the locative applies only to the purpose clause. And they left off a significant word. Not a bad translation, though.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Meanwhile, that one missing word…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yeah, I can hear it now:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">“That’s one small step. One giant leap.”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It wouldn’t have made much sense without mentioning that a person did it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 1, 2019, at 11:34 AM, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" class="">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/1/2019 11:23 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:6j7m2n0hkolm7skho7qsugno.1556723180976@email.android.com" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Read the
Ca'Non sentence from the "Smithsonian Go Figure app":</div>
<br class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">{tera jar
Soch, DIS wa Hut jav</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Hut, maSDaq
SaqmeH Qu' wa'DIch</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">HochHom
turlu'taHvIS, wej logh</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">lengwIpu
pa'mey 'oH Apollo wamaH wa' ra'ghom bobcho Columbia'e'}</div>
<br class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">"Apollo 11
Command Module, Columbia, was the living quarters for the
three-person crew during most of the first manned lunar landing
mission in July 1969".</div>
<br class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">The {Qu'
wa'DIch} is obviously the subject of {SaqmeH}. It can't be the
{Qu' wa'DIch HochHom} since the goal wasn't for "almost all of
the mission to land on the moon".</div>
<br class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">And then we
have the {HochHom turlu'taHvIS} which is used to express the
"during most of the first manned lunar landing mission".</div>
<br class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">However, since
the subject of the {SaqmeH} is only the {Qu' wa'DIch}, shouldn't
there be a comma right after it ?</div>
</blockquote><p class=""><b class="">maSDaq SaqmeH Qu' wa'DIch HochHom turlu'taHvIS<br class="">
</b><i class="">while most of the first moon-landing mission was being
carried out</i></p><p class="">This is a single <i class="">while</i> clause.</p><p class=""><b class="">X turlu'taHvIS</b><br class="">
<i class="">while one does X</i></p><p class="">The X is a noun phrase, <b class="">maSDaq SaqmeH Qu' wa'DIch HochHom</b>
<i class="">most of the first mission-to-land-on-the-moon.</i></p><p class="">A <b class="">SaqmeH Qu'</b> is a <i class="">landing mission,</i> a <i class="">mission
for landing.</i> Remember that purposes clauses can be attached
to nouns that are not the subject of that clause. <b class="">Qu'</b> is
not the subject of <b class="">SaqmeH.</b><br class="">
</p><p class=""> If that mission happens at the moon, it is a <b class="">maSDaq SaqmeH
Qu'</b><i class=""> landing mission on the moon.</i> The locative is
added to the verb as usual. The fact that this verb is part of a
dependent clause is irrelevant.<br class="">
</p><p class="">It's the first moon-landing mission, <b class="">maSDaq SaqmeH Qu'
wa'DIch.</b></p><p class="">We're only talking about <i class="">most</i> of the mission: <b class="">maSDaq
SaqmeH Qu' wa'DIch HochHom.</b><br class="">
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