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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/16/2019 12:59 PM, Will Martin
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:090C95DE-EEF7-4418-9DF1-73C064D7E811@mac.com">We don’t
seem to have a problem with the idea that {jI-} means the same
entity is the subject of causation AND the subject of being hot,
even though there is no explicit explanation of how this works</blockquote>
<p>You want to understand?</p>
<p>Never say the phrase "subject of the causation" again.</p>
<p>You say it every time, and it's what gets you off track every
time.</p>
<p>How it works is simple. The subject performs whatever the entire
verb is. If there is a <b>-moH</b> on the verb, then the subject
causes something to happen. Whether the subject performs the
action described by the bare verb or any of its other suffixes is
a matter of interpretation and context. Someone else might perform
the action that is caused by the subject. There is no formula to
determine who that is; you need to figure it out from context and
the hints given to you by the verb and its suffixes.</p>
<p><b>jItuj'eghmoH</b></p>
<p>I am the subject. I cause something to happen. The action that
happens, whoever does it, is <i>being hot.</i> The <b>-'egh</b>
tells me that, since there is no other entity in this sentence, I
must be doing something to myself. Either I am <i>being hot
myself,</i> which makes no sense, or I am <i>causing myself</i>
to do something, which does make sense. Also since there is no
other entity in this sentence, I must be causing myself to be hot.
There is no other interpretation.</p>
<p><b>puqpu’ma’ DIqIHchuqnISmoH</b></p>
<p>We are the subject. We cause something. Our children are the
object; something is being done to them. The action being
described is meeting for the first time. Someone is doing
something to each other. Someone needs something.</p>
<p>There are multiple ways this can be interpreted. The children
might need something, or we might need something. The children
might be doing something to each other, or we might be doing
something to each other.</p>
<p><i>We cause each other to need to meet our children.<br>
We need to cause each other to meet our children.<br>
We cause our children to need to meet each other.<br>
We need to cause our children to meet each other.<br>
</i></p>
<p>Maybe I haven't thought of all combinations, but you get the
point. Klingon doesn't have a set formula for this stuff, but you
keep looking for one. You simply need to remember that <b>-moH</b>
only means that the subject causes something. It doesn't
automatically separate the subject from performing the action too,
and it doesn't automatically assign specific roles to direct or
indirect objects. There are customary ways of saying things, but
that's all part of supplying hints to interpretation.</p>
<p>The best course of action is to avoid ambiguous sentences like
this if you want to be clear.<br>
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