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<p>Hooray! It's now perfectly fine to say <b>bIvoqbe' 'ej muSuj
'e'!</b> Because Okrand said breaking rules is acceptable, and
we all KNOW what the sentence means!</p>
<p>And now we can say <b>qatlh ghaH DaHoHpu' 'e' vISov</b><i> I
know why you killed him,</i> because c'mon, we all KNOW what
it means.</p>
<p>And OF COURSE we can say <b>chenmoH Da'oy' jIH,</b><i> </i>because
it's completely obviously what that means. Anyone who couldn't
understand THAT one has got to be brain-damaged.</p>
<p>(Or maybe, just maybe, he just means that we should look at
Klingon samples in their proper contexts, that what he writes
shouldn't be analyzed as perfect and completely normative text.
A Skybox card is just a Skybox card, not an Officially
Sanctioned Representative of Klingon Grammar.)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/3/2019 8:25 AM, Will Martin wrote:<br>
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<div class="">So, I can say {tlhIngan Hol’e’ be’nalwI’ vIghojmoH}
because, even though it doesn’t follow the formula given us
({be’nalwI’vaD tlhIngan Hol vIghojmoH}), it obviously makes
sense to anyone who speaks Klingon, right?</div>
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<div class="">The two objects of {ghojmoH} are the beneficiary and
the topic. You can leave either unmarked if there is only one
showing, but if both are there, you can’t leave both unmarked.
He stylistically prefers to mark the beneficiary, but it should
be fine for me to prefer to mark the topic. In fact, it should
be okay to say {tlhIngan Hol’e’ be’nalwI’vaD jIghojmoH.}</div>
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<div class="">[Let the fireworks begin.]</div>
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<div class="">On Apr 2, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Lieven L. Litaer
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historical purposes, but please don't worship pairs<br
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THanks for that. It's very interesting, and it confirms
something else.<br class="">
While planning the Miniature thing, I talked to Okrand
about the<br class="">
dictionary and the grammar. Also here, he repeated that
TKD is way from<br class="">
being complete. He added that if he omitted something, it
does not mean<br class="">
that it doesn't exist at all. He also repeated that - what
he even wrote<br class="">
in his introduction - although it sometimes says "always"
or "never",<br class="">
even that should not be takes as holy. It happens very
often that a<br class="">
situation occurs which he did not think about. So if
speakers find a<br class="">
solution that "somehow" makes sense and is understandable,
then they<br class="">
should use it, instead of saying it's not possible to do
so, or we don't<br class="">
know how to. Even breaking rules might be acceptable -
think of english<br class="">
"ain't not" and so on.<br class="">
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The language is alive, and lives from being used. Don't
take TKD too<br class="">
strictly as 100% set in stone. It's only a rough
introduction, not a<br class="">
final law.<br class="">
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--<br class="">
Lieven L. Litaer<br class="">
aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"<br class="">
<a href="http://www.klingonisch.de" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.klingonisch.de</a><br
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Canon">http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Canon</a><br class="">
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