<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">It might be good to rethink the entire project. A long string of {-lu’} or {vay’} is odd because on one hand, you want the subject to be unspecified, but on the other hand, you want to be talking about the same unspecified entity repeatedly. If it were truly unspecified, then there’s no guarantee that the second statement is about the same entity as the first one.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It just doesn’t come across as direct, blunt speech. I’m suspecting it would test a listener’s patience.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just sayin’.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There might be a better approach to the entire effort. I’d have to understand it better to give more detailed advice (if it were desired).</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 18, 2019, at 2:21 PM, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" class="">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/18/2019 2:09 PM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<div dir="auto" class=""><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">SuStel:</span></div>
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">> Show me
a text you want to translate that you think runs </span>
<div dir="auto" class=""><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">> into an
irreconcilable </span><b style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">-lu'/laH</b><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> clash.</span></div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class=""><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">I'm afraid you
misunderstood me.</span></div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">The problem (or at least my
problem..), isn't that I come across the need to say
"someone who is unable", and can't find the way to say it,
without breaking the -lu'/-laH rule.</span></font></div>
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<div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">The problem is, that if I start the
passage writing e.g. {vumlu'taHvIS, 'ej Doy'qu'lu'taHvIS,
qeqnISlu'chugh..}, and suddenly I need to say "but he is
unable to train", I would then need to switch off the -lu',
to some other solution.</span></font></div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">Perhaps I would say {qeqlaHbe'},
{qeqlaHbe' vay'}, {qeqlaHbe' nuv}, {qeqlaHbe' vumqu'wI'},
etc.</span></font></div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">But doing so, I would have to
switch from talking about someone "unspecified", to someone
"specified".</span></font></div>
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<div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">Now, don't ask me what the actual
difference is, between the "someone" described by the -lu',
and the "someone" described by the vay'. In greek we don't
have something similar, so I can't *feel* the difference
between the two.</span></font></div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">But I think sometime in the past,
it had been said in a discussion on the -lu'</span></font><span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:sans-serif" class="">, that once
someone starts using in a long passage the -lu', then it would
be preferable if he didn't use -lu' and -vay' (or some other
solution) interchangeably.</span></div>
</blockquote><p class="">I'd just use <b class="">vay'</b> with the <b class="">-laH </b>and forget about
it.</p><p class="">Actually I'd probably use <b class="">vay'</b> for the whole thing,
provided I didn't need to repeat it. <b class="">vumtaHvIS vay' 'ej
Doy'qu'taHvIS, qeqnISchugh 'ach qaqlaHbe'chugh...</b></p><p class="">Again, I'd need to see this in its larger context. You'll
generally have to reword something that will end up with a <b class="">-laH</b>
and <b class="">-lu'</b> together anyway.<br class="">
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