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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/12/2019 11:42 AM, SuStel wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/12/2019 11:27 AM, mayqel
qunen'oS wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAP7F2c+U2cv7FOYy805pdEdJTdZ67jv2utXT=x1UL_AqV_t04A@mail.gmail.com">Is
ghItlh to be treated as jatlh, with regards to quotations and
reporting things others have written ?</blockquote>
<p>No.</p>
<p>So far as I know, only <b>jatlh</b> and <b>ja'</b> have been
confirmed as "verbs of saying." <b>tlhob</b> is used as a verb
of saying in <i>Power Klingon,</i> but in his interview with
charghwI' about this <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="http://klingonska.org/canon/1998-12-holqed-07-4.txt"
moz-do-not-send="true"><http://klingonska.org/canon/1998-12-holqed-07-4.txt></a>,
he says that <b>tlhob, jang, </b>and<b> ghel</b> aren't used
as verbs of saying. He was asked about and failed to answer to <b>bach</b>
(slang), <b>chel, chup, jach,</b> and <b>SIv.</b></p>
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<p>He also used <b>jang</b> as a verb of saying three times in <i>paq'batlh,</i>
if these aren't some of those lines translated by someone else.
Here's the first:</p>
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<p><b>lujang meQboghnom 'oH<br>
yeqchuqchu'taHghach<br>
Daw' je joqwI'<br>
</b></p>
<p><i>They reply it is the meQboghnom,<br>
The banner of unity<br>
And revolution.<br>
</i></p>
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<p>The word <b>ra'</b> specifically avoids being a verb of saying
in <i>paq'batlh,</i> and then in the very next stanza <b>jang </b>is
used as a verb of saying again:<br>
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<p><b>mangghomvam DevwI'<br>
luDel 'e' ra' molor<br>
vaj ghaH lujang</b></p>
<p><b>mangghom luDev wej loD<br>
wa' Doj law' Hoch Doj puS<br>
'etlhDaj jeq vagh DuQwI'Hom</b></p>
<p><i>Molor asks them,<br>
Who leads these armies,<br>
And they reply:</i></p>
<p><i>"Three men lead the army<br>
With one who is most impressive<br>
With a five pointed blade."</i></p>
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<p><b>tlhob</b> is used twice in <i>paq'batlh,</i> each time
avoiding being a verb of saying by using <b>'e',</b> like <b>ra'
</b>above. <b>ghel</b> does not appear in <i>paq'batlh.</i></p>
<p><b>jach</b> does appear in <i>paq'batlh,</i> and sometimes it's
a verb of saying and sometimes it's not. Here's one where it's
not:</p>
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<p><b>jach veqlargh jatlh<br>
muqaD vay' 'ej ghe'tor 'el porgh<br>
nuqDaq ghaH petaQ'e'</b></p>
<p><i>He [Fek'lhr] screamed: "Where is the p'takh<br>
Who dares to enter Gre'thor<br>
Within a body?!</i></p>
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<p>In each case where it is a verb of saying, it's the last word of
a stanza, and the next stanza is the quotation.<br>
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