<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Remember that Klingon doesn’t have articles. The presence of articles varies a lot by language, and there are arbitrary times in each language that has articles when articles are needed. French requires them more often than English. Malasian doesn’t have them at all. Turkish doesn’t have them. ASL doesn’t have them. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The difference between the awkward “I enter the here” and the less awkward “I enter here” is all about the definite article, which is definitely unnecessary for “here”, since there is only one “here” in the Universe, defined by deictic reference of the statement that contains it. The Universe is full of places that are somebody’s “here”, but MY “here” is unique (even if it’s scope might be a bit vague).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Imagine two people planning a military operation, looking at a map. The index finger points to the spot defining “Here”. “You enter here.”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Does that seem awkward to you?</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 11, 2019, at 1:39 PM, mayqel qunen'oS <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class="">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">What troubled me about the naDev and the 'el, is that it sounds awkward in greek/english to say "I enter the here", which is the actual meaning of naDev vI'el.<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">If I write Duj vI'el, then I feel it "normal": "I enter the ship". But the sound of "I enter the here", is rather strange.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Anyways, I guess the awkwardness has to do with the fse translation, and not the actual klingon.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I just didn't know whether the naDev can be used as a direct object.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">~ changan qIj</div></div>
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