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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/18/2019 10:08 AM, Lieven L. Litaer
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cite="mid:2f452de5-513e-0b93-681f-6df9a3fe208a@gmx.de">Am
18.02.2019 um 15:58 schrieb SuStel:
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Yes, this is a murky area of Klingon grammar :-)
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<blockquote type="cite">Except we know that sometimes when Okrand
says /sentence/ he means the verbal clause under consideration.
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Yes, of course.
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<blockquote type="cite">You would not, for instance, translate /I
ask why I was chosen/ as *qatlh jIjatlh vIwIvlu'pu'?* A
sentence-as-object is still a sentence, but you'd put the
*qatlh* with the piece it belongs with: *jIjatlh qatlh
vIwIvlu'pu'; qatlh vIwIvlu'pu' jIjatlh.*
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I agree with that example, but I think it's different from what
mayqel asked.</blockquote>
<p>I am choosing examples that are deliberately different, to try to
illustrate the issues involved.<br>
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cite="mid:2f452de5-513e-0b93-681f-6df9a3fe208a@gmx.de">And using
jatlh gets us a lot more into trouble. First, {jatlh} is such a
special situation, and next, you are using the word "why" not as a
question word, but in a way that it changes a question to a
statement.
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There's a difference between "I ask why I was chosen." and "I ask:
why was I chosen?"
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<p>Not in Klingon. Much has been made of "direct quotations" by
certain people, but Klingon happily uses so-called direct
quotations where English will use so-called "indirect quotations."
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<p><b>qaja'pu' HIqaghQo' </b>or <b>HIqaghQo' qaja'pu</b><b>'</b>
<i>I told you not to interrupt me. </i>(TKD)<i><br>
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<p>Here, Okrand is in no way interested in maintaining any
difference between <i>I told you not to interrupt me</i> and <i>I
told you, "Don't interrupt me!"<br>
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<p>I didn't have to use <b>jatlh</b> to make an example, though. <b>nuq
ta'pu' 'ej qatlh ta'pu'</b><i> What did he do and why did he do
it?</i> Compound sentences are sentences, and if we were to
follow the rules too closely, we would be considering <b>qatlh
nuq ta'pu' 'ej ta'pu',</b> which is obviously wrong.<br>
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