<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
</head>
<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/11/2019 1:55 PM, Steven Boozer
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:BL0PR11MB337919183BF930DA32B36CF4C1640@BL0PR11MB3379.namprd11.prod.outlook.com">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Known
examples of {Sal} “ascend” and {ghIr} “descend”, all from the
paq’batlh:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">SaqSub'e'
muSHa'bogh pawmeH leng qeylIS, HuDmey Sal ghIq ghIr
<br>
And Kahless traveled to his beloved Saq'sub, over the
mountains (PB)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">QIStaq
'emDaq jenchoH jul, yor DungDaq Salta'DI' tagh HarghchuqmeH
poH
<br>
The sun rises high behind the Kri'stak, when it rises over its
top, it is time to do battle. (PB)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">HuDmeyvo'
ghIr chaH
<br>
Over the hills, they came. (PB)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">From
these three examples – all referring to mountains or hills -
it appears that the locative suffix is optional.</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>Not optional. In the first example, the object is the thing
climbed, not the destination. In the second and third, the verbs
in question do not have any object, but take the destination or
origin as a non-object syntactic noun. (I am assuming these are
not examples of "redundant, but not out-and-out wrong" uses of
syntactic suffixes.)</p>
<p>In no example is the destination the object of the verb, which is
what would be required for the verb's meaning to "include locative
notions."<br>
</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
SuStel
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://trimboli.name">http://trimboli.name</a></pre>
</body>
</html>