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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/9/2019 11:45 AM, Lieven L. Litaer
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:444beb4b-cbe9-23c2-600c-e56603eac866@gmx.de">Am
09.01.2019 um 17:16 schrieb SuStel: <br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">I doubt that
reasoning. </blockquote>
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Of course you do. I didn't expect anything else. <span
class="moz-smiley-s3" title=";-)"><span>;-)</span></span></blockquote>
<p>If you didn't say things like that we wouldn't argue nearly as
much.<br>
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cite="mid:444beb4b-cbe9-23c2-600c-e56603eac866@gmx.de"> We see
transliterations between English and <br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">Klingon drop
sounds all the time. <i class="moz-txt-slash"><span
class="moz-txt-tag">/</span>France<span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span></i>
-> *vIraS...* What happened to the /n?/ </blockquote>
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Okrand did so because the N is not a spoken sound: <br>
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"For "France," pronounced in French, the "n" also indicates
nasalization — it's not pronounced as an individual sound — so,
for Klingon, I just skipped it: vIraS (not vIranIs or something
like that). I followed the same line of thinking for mIyama
(rather than mIyanma)." <br>
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(Marc Okrand, qepHom 2016) <br>
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<p>Fair enough. Now explain why <i>Enterprise </i>is
transliterated <b>'entepray'</b> without the first <i>r</i> or
the <i>s</i> — or <i>with</i> the final <b>'.</b><br>
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cite="mid:444beb4b-cbe9-23c2-600c-e56603eac866@gmx.de">
<blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">I could imagine a
Klingon hearing *QISmaS,* hearing that some guy named Christ is
involved, not thinking too carefully about it, and assuming that
the holiday is /Christ Moon./ <br>
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I actually do not seen that a foreigner would immediately see the
connection between the person "kra-yist" and the event of
"kris-mes". And I really have a lot of exerience with foreigners
switching languages and misunderstandings based on just that.</blockquote>
<p>I said in my premise that the Klingon heard that some guy named
Christ is involved in <b>QISmaS.</b> What I said follows from
that; don't ignore it. If we assume a Klingon who has heard of <b>QISmaS</b>
and has heard of Christ, but not that the two are related, I would
not conclude that the Klingon would make the connection. </p>
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