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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 28, 2018 8:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [tlhIngan Hol] -chuqmoH & -'eghmoH</font>
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On Dec 28, 2018, at 17:48, David Holt <<a href="mailto:kenjutsuka@live.com">kenjutsuka@live.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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How about with {-'eghmoH} to say something/someone makes them do the verb to themself? (Possible example: {puq Say''eghmoH SoS}.) Any evidence of that sort of construction?<br>
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<div>> Say''eghmoH SoS makes sense. A mother makes herself clean. The puq as an object there doesn’t. But I guess it does fit the<br>
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<div>> pattern with muvchuqmoH.</div>
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<div dir="auto">In which case it would mean, "The mother makes the child clean themself."</div>
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What about using {'egh} with {-moH} on a verb with no object to reflexively refer to the subject of {-moH} as also the subject of the main verb? (Possible example: {nguv'eghmoH DIjwI'}.) Do we have any evidence of that? What do you think of using it that
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<div>> Isn’t -'eghmoH already the recommended way to make a command out of a verb of quality? If it works for a command, I feel like</div>
<div>> it should work in the example above too.<br>
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Good point. That is strong evidence for this pattern.<br>
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And how about using {-chuq} with {-moH} to reflexively refer to the subject of {-moH} as also the subject of the main verb, saying that they cause each other to do/be the main verb? (Possible example: {rIQchuqmoH SuvwI'}.) Do we have any evidence of that?
What do you think of using it that way?<br>
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<div>> That seems fine to me if you think of it as rIQmoH with a -chuq, in contrast to thinking of muvchuqmoH as muvchuq with a -moH.</div>
<div>> I think the dual possibilities are a consequence of the strict ordering of the suffixes.</div>
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<div>It's the {-moH} itself that seems to be causing the dual possibilities. When we use a {-moH} on a verb that does not have an object, the subject of that verb slides into the object position. But when we use a {-moH} on a verb that does have an object,
the object of that verb stays the object and the subject of that verb apparently gets marked with {-vaD}. Thus most verbs with {-moH} have at least the potential of two objects. But since the type 1 suffix does not appear as an actual object, the question
is which one of the objects is the type 1 suffix trying to fulfill?</div>
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