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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/28/2018 8:48 PM, David Holt
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:MW2PR07MB3930556CE02F52146E939D13A4B00@MW2PR07MB3930.namprd07.prod.outlook.com">The
paq'batlh contains the sentence {Qo'noS tuqmey muvchuqmoH qeylIS}
(p.179) implying that we can use {-chuq} with {-moH} to
reflexively refer to the subject of the main verb (which has
become the object of the verb with {-moH}). Do we have other
evidence of the same?</blockquote>
<p>I don't think that implication is inevitable. The object of the
sentence is not "the subject of the main verb." The subject is the
subject, and the subject in this case is the causer. We've seen
other sentences where adding a <b>-moH</b> doesn't change the
role of the object at all.<br>
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<p>There are other ways to interpret this. I think that Klingons
don't see their sentences quite as mechanically as you're making
them. I believe the scope of <b>-moH</b> is variable. Sometimes
it applies directly to the verb, and sometimes it applies to the
verb plus its object-affecting suffixes. In this case <b>-moH</b>
means Kahless is causing the houses of Kronos to <b>muvchuq, </b>not
just <b>muv.</b></p>
<p>I think it's significant that <i>The Klingon Dictionary</i>
doesn't usually distinguish between direct and indirect object,
and that verb prefixes can sometimes agree with indirect instead
of direct objects. I think Klingons see the position before the
verb as the "object" position, not necessarily the direct object
position. Sometimes indirect objects belong there. Sometimes they
don't.</p>
<p>Don't try to "subject of the main verb" this sort of thing. I
don't think that's how <b>-moH</b> works. The subject remains the
subject, whether it's causing something or not. It's just that the
exact meaning of the object is fluid. It might be the thing
performing the bare verb, or it might be the thing the bare verb
is acting upon. Which one it is must be inferred by the listener.<br>
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