<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Dec 28, 2018, at 17:48, David Holt <<a href="mailto:kenjutsuka@live.com">kenjutsuka@live.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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The paq'batlh contains the sentence {Qo'noS tuqmey muvchuqmoH qeylIS} (p.179) implying that we can use {-chuq} with {-moH} to reflexively refer to the subject of the main verb (which has become the object of the verb with {-moH}). Do we have other evidence
of the same?<br>
<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hmm. The meaning made enough sense that I didn’t question the grammar until you pointed it out, but it is indeed an interesting construction. I too am curious if other similar examples exist.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
How about with {-'eghmoH} to say something/someone makes them do the verb to themself? (Possible example: {puq Say''eghmoH SoS}.) Any evidence of that sort of construction?<br>
<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Say''eghmoH SoS makes sense. A mother makes herself clean. The puq as an object there doesn’t. But I guess it does fit the pattern with muvchuqmoH.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
What about using {'egh} with {-moH} on a verb with no object to reflexively refer to the subject of {-moH} as also the subject of the main verb? (Possible example: {nguv'eghmoH DIjwI'}.) Do we have any evidence of that? What do you think of using it that
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<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Isn’t -'eghmoH already the recommended way to make a command out of a verb of quality? If it works for a command, I feel like it should work in the example above too.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
And how about using {-chuq} with {-moH} to reflexively refer to the subject of {-moH} as also the subject of the main verb, saying that they cause each other to do/be the main verb? (Possible example: {rIQchuqmoH SuvwI'}.) Do we have any evidence of that?
What do you think of using it that way?<br>
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<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That seems fine to me if you think of it as rIQmoH with a -chuq, in contrast to thinking of muvchuqmoH as muvchuq with a -moH. I think the dual possibilities are a consequence of the strict ordering of the suffixes.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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