<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Dec 8, 2018, at 12:53, Felix Malmenbeck <<a href="mailto:felixm@kth.se">felixm@kth.se</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p>There is one additional example, but it's from paq'batlh, which i) is poetry*, ii) is adapted from an older form of the language* and iii) contains quite a lot of irregularities**.</p>
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<p>Doy'choH cha' porgh</p>
<p>'oy' cha' porgh</p>
<p>'ach Hat'chu' 'e' luneH neH tIqDu'Daj</p>
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</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ah, thanks. And thank you, SuStel, for the ST VI example. I agree that the 'e' in Azetbur’s sentence does not apply to the question of explicit 'e' with neH and SAO. I wonder if maybe I read the example in p'b and perhaps It informed my assumption that 'e' with neH is okay. It’s also entirely possible that I just made it up in my head.</div><div><br></div><div>On the subject of it paq'batlh, I’ve long wondered whether the thing that looks like a qaghwI' is really a qaghwI' in the middle of paq'batlh, paq'yav, paq'raD, and paq'QIH. Like, if one were to write paq'batlh in pIqaD, would there be a qaghwI' between paq and batlh?</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><p>(paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 23, Stanza 7)</p>
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<p>* For the most part, though, the book is grammatically correct by "modern" tlhIngan Hol standards, or tries to be, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. It is handy to keep in mind in case one wants to retcon out mistakes, though.</p>
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<p>** This is probably the bigger concern. There was a lot of text, and the proof-readers only had a very limited time to look at it.<br>
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<p>//loghaD<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 8, 2018 19:47<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [tlhIngan Hol] {neH} with SAO and indefinite subject</font>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/8/2018 1:42 PM, Daniel Dadap wrote:<br>
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<p class="">(The sole known exception is not a good data point, as it involves one Klingon using another Klingon's sentence as the first sentence in a sentence-as-object construction. It may be that in such a case not having
<i class="">something</i> there is too much. We don't know how this exception works, so it's dangerous to base our understanding on it.<br class="">
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<div>Out of curiosity, do you mind quoting that exception?</div>
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<p>In <i>Star Trek VI, </i>one of the military officers says something, then Azetbur says
<b>'e' neHbe' vavoy </b><i>That isn't what my father wanted,</i> literally,<i> Daddy didn't want that.</i><br>
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