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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/29/2018 9:27 AM, mayqel qunenoS
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">SuStel:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I think the difference is that paq'batlh is talking about the quantity of Klingons,
while you are using a number of as a synonym for some. A number of is English idiom,
and you're trying to literally translate the idiom. What paq'batlh translates is not an idiom but literal.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">ok, don't misunderstand me; I'm not trying to argue. I'm genuinely
trying to understand..
The original sentence was:
{tugh, Hargh SuvwI'pu'vam mI'}
soon, a number of these warriors will fight
When I wrote this sentence, I had in mind "soon, some (i.e. an unknown
quantity) of these warriors will fight".
I just can't see the difference between my sentence, and the paq'batlh
one; is the difference that the paq'batlh sentence specifies the
quantity, by saying "an equal number" ?
Anyway, I'm not trying to say that my original sentence is correct; in
fact in the first message of this thread, I wrote "I feel that they
are wrong, but I can't understand why".
And I'm perfectly happy to be writing {'op SuvwI'vam} or {'op
SuvwI'pu'vam} for "some of these warriors".
But I just can't see, how the paq'batlh sentence and the one I wrote,
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<p><b>mI'</b> doesn't mean <i>an unknown number.</i> It means <i>number.</i></p>
<p>In the <i>paq'batlh</i> sentence, <b>lutlhej tlhInganpu' Hem
mI' nIb,</b> the key difference is the presence of <b>nIb.</b>
Without it, the sentence means <i>the number of proud Klingons
accompany him</i> — whatever that means. You're not saying <i>some</i>
in any way.</p>
<p>If you wanted to say <i>an unknown number,</i> and you didn't
want to use <b>'op</b> for some reason, you could say <b>tugh
Hargh SuvwI'pu'vam mI' Sovbe'lu'bogh</b><i> Soon an unknown
number of these warriors will fight a major fight.</i> But that
sounds to me like you're making a point that you don't know how
many warriors there will be, rather than just being vague about
their numbers.<br>
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SuStel
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