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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/18/2018 12:49 PM, mayqel qunenoS
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cite="mid:CAP7F2cJXW0szxDFMLFj68bt8=_YKjYSxaBnUFWdLioq+W+mxGw@mail.gmail.com">What
do you mean by saying "untied ideas ?"</blockquote>
<p>Sometimes you can say two separate things, but you want to tie
them together to make them more closely related. For instance, in
Klingon, we have a canonical utterance: <b>targhlIj yIngagh!
yIruch!</b> <i>Go mate with your targ!</i> This is not
expressing two unrelated ideas; it's combining two closely related
ideas. You're not being commanded just to proceed; you're being
commanded to proceed on some predefined activity — defined in the
previous command.</p>
<p>There's no formula for this; you have to figure out how closely
related your ideas are for each instance.<br>
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<p>When you say <b>Daj 'ej Huj,</b> you're giving equal weight to
how interesting and how strange the subject is. When you say <b>Daj;
Huj je,</b> you're giving precedence to how interesting the
subject is; being strange is almost an afterthought. To me, <b>Daj
'ej Huj je</b> gives the same precedence to <b>Daj,</b> leaving
<b>Huj</b> as an afterthought. It's interesting. Oh, yes, it's
also strange.<br>
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<p>There's an expression in English: <i><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.dictionary.com/browse/also-ran?r=75&src=ref&ch=dic?r=75&src=ref&ch=dic">also-ran</a>.</i>
It's a noun used to indicate a lesser competitor. They
ran/competed/tried too, but they failed to achieve as much as the
winner(s). An also-ran is a mildly pathetic figure. Logically it
might seem like you could use the word to point to anyone else who
"also ran," with equal importance, but it doesn't mean that. The <i>also</i>
is a minimizer at the same time it joined the also-ran with the
winner. This is an example of how the word <i>also</i> can affect
precedence. (I don't mean to suggest that using <b>je</b>
necessarily means a lesser precedence. Just that it doesn't, to
me, seem to have the same power as <b>'ej.</b>)<br>
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