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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>The issue is a cultural one. Klingons generally consider successfully enduring suffering to be a positive experience.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>SuStel<br>http://trimboli.name</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:levinius@gmx.de">Lieven L. Litaer</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, October 18, 2018 7:29 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [tlhIngan Hol] If I wrote..</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Am 18.10.2018 um 13:03 schrieb De'vID:</p><p class=MsoNormal>> Why is it negative? {SIQ} has no necessarily negative connotations in </p><p class=MsoNormal>> Klingon.</p><p class=MsoNormal>> </p><p class=MsoNormal>> For example, {yIn nI' yISIQ 'ej yIchep!} conveys a positive sentiment.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, and a celebrant of a party or an event is called the {SIQwI'}.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I have the negative connotation from the English gloss "endure, bear", </p><p class=MsoNormal>which somehow sounds to me like suffering, as in {'oy' DaSIQjaj} "May </p><p class=MsoNormal>you endure the pain". Using Data's words "enduring physical suffering is </p><p class=MsoNormal>considered a Klingon spiritual test" (TKW 43)</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Tha'Ts why I always considered the word {SIQ} as "live with something </p><p class=MsoNormal>that's not so pleasant".</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I understand that is does not need a negative connotation, I'm just </p><p class=MsoNormal>explaining why I see it as such.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-- </p><p class=MsoNormal>Lieven L. Litaer</p><p class=MsoNormal>aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"</p><p class=MsoNormal>http://www.klingonisch.de</p><p class=MsoNormal>http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/TheKlingonWay</p><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________</p><p class=MsoNormal>tlhIngan-Hol mailing list</p><p class=MsoNormal>tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org</p><p class=MsoNormal>http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>