<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div><br></div><div><br>On Sep 7, 2018, at 19:20, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/7/2018 7:47 PM, Daniel Dadap
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<p>Personally, I think Okrand just assumed that the difference
between <i>it</i> and <i>he/she/him/her</i> showed up the
difference well enough. It's the fact that English <i>they/them</i>
can cover plural <i>it</i> as well as <i>he/she/him/her</i>
that warrants special mention of the difference between <b>bIH</b>
and <b>chaH,</b> not the exclusivity of the
capable-of-using-language status of the words.<br>
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<div>Sure, but he/she/him/her doesn’t necessarily indicate
language capability in English. Non-language capable beings can
be hes and shes and hims and hers.</div>
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<p>English <i>he</i> and <i>she</i> (etc.) indicate sex or (more
recently) gender identity, something that Klingon doesn't
distinguish at all in its pronouns. In English a noun typically
graduates from an <i>it</i> to a <i>he</i> or <i>she</i> when
it obtains a male/female gender that someone cares to mention.
This doesn't happen in Klingon. Hence the question, when does a
Klingon noun graduate from an <b>'oH</b> to a <b>ghaH?</b> It's
not when the noun gains a gender. So when is it?<br>
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</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That remains the open question. :)</div><div><br></div><div>If not when the noun becomes language capable, the other reasonable interpretation is when the noun becomes animate. Perhaps the same place where the difference between {-beH} and {-rup} manifests.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
SuStel
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