<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>I have been enjoying seeing the different options proposed. I like both of these contrasting pairs:</div><div><br></div><div>chu'wI' / ngo'wI' - newcomer / old-timer (proposed by De'vID)</div><div>taghwI' / taHwI' - beginner / survivor (proposed by loghaD; seconded by voragh)</div><div><br></div><div>I like chu'wI'/ngo'wI' for its simplicity and clarity, and its suitability to just about any context; I like taghwI'/taHwI' for the same reasons, and also because it is a minimal pair demonstrating the contrast between gh and H, and really emphasizes proper speech, as voragh mentioned. However, that could also be a source of confusion, e.g. when listening to a poor quality recording. The words are also indistinguishable from each other when whispered.</div><div><br></div><div>I think if the situation is appropriate, SIQwI' “endurer” might be good. <span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Perhaps it might even be appropriate in a general sense.</span> It can also take aspect suffixes to indicate whether the experience endured is complete (QI' SIQpu'wI' - one who has served in the military and is no longer in active duty; a common use of the word “veteran”) or actively occurring (Quj'a' SIQtaHwI' - one who is experienced in a sport and still participating in it; another common use of “veteran”).</div><div><br></div><div>In response to this note from Quvar:</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">PS: veteran in the military sense might be {SuvwI' po'} or {SuvwI' qan}.</span></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>tlhIngan SuvwI'pu' qan tu'lu'be'.</div><div><br>On Jul 13, 2018, at 23:36, Jackson Bradley <<a href="mailto:j.monroe.bradley@gmail.com">j.monroe.bradley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">chu'Ha'wI'? An un-newcomer?<div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-07-13 21:53 GMT-04:00 seruq <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seruq@bellsouth.net" target="_blank">seruq@bellsouth.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">How about bampu'wI'?<br>
or:<br>
bamta'wI'<br>
bamchu'wI'<br>
or what fine-tuning is appropriate.<br>
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- DloraH<br>
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<span class="">On Fri, 7/13/18, Alan Anderson <<a href="mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net">qunchuy@alcaco.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran"<br>
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Date: Friday, July 13, 2018, 12:02 AM<br>
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I am trying to find a<br>
pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label<br>
people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their first<br>
time experiencing something) or veterans (they've been<br>
through it before). <br>
<br>
I<br>
like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I can't<br>
decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of<br>
you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did you<br>
come up with anything satisfactory?<br>
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