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<p class="MsoNormal">The way the reflexive (type 1) suffixes work is that they take a verb with a subject and then say that the object is the same as the subject. If you could negate only the reflexive suffix, not the verb-suffix combination, then how, exactly,
is the object of the verb supposed to work, exactly? Take {je'}, for example:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">jIje' – I feed (some unspecified person/animal/object). Maybe it makes me feel good to provide food for people – {jIje' 'e' vItIv}. Unspecified object.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">vIje' – I feed it/them. puqpu'wI' vIje' – I feed my children. Specified object (possibly only specified by the prefix, but still specified).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">jIje''egh – I feed myself. Specified reflexive object.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">jIje''eghbe' – I feed (some unspecified person/animal/object) but not myself? You now have an unspecified object, with the qualification that it’s NOT reflexive. I don’t think that’s a supportable interpretation, especially when the more
straightforward “I don’t feed myself” jumps out as the obvious meaning.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, June 11, 2018 at 4:47 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [tlhIngan Hol] bIje''eghchugh vaj bIHegh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:43, RE Andeen <<a href="mailto:eric.andeen@outlook.com">eric.andeen@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">{bIje'be''eghchugh} sounds really clunky to my ear, though that's just my opinon. There is plenty of canon support (which I'm too lazy to look up) for {-be'} modifying not
just the preceding suffix but the whole unit of meaning, so {bIje''eghbe'chugh} would most naturally be understood as "If you don't feed yourself". I keep trying to formulate an alternative meaning, where {-be'} negates only the {-'egh}, but I can't find a
way to make any sense of it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“If you don’t feed yourself (but do feed others)”, which still leaves the statement as a whole true. Put on your own mask before assisting others.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree that putting the be' before the 'egh sounds a bit clunky now that you point it out.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> tlhIngan-Hol <<a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org">tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org</a>> on behalf of Daniel Dadap <<a href="mailto:daniel@dadap.net">daniel@dadap.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 11, 2018 3:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [tlhIngan Hol] bIje''eghchugh vaj bIHegh</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Oh, I left out a crucial {be'} in those three phrases. I meant {bIje''eghbe'chugh vaj bIHegh}. I guess {bIje'be''eghchugh} would be more grammatically appropriate, but it sounds less like the other phrases.<br>
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> On Jun 11, 2018, at 17:40, Daniel Dadap <<a href="mailto:daniel@dadap.net">daniel@dadap.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> We all know that {bIjeghchugh vaj bIHegh} is something you might hear in battle, and {bIje'chugh vaj bIHegh} is something you might hear when entering a store on Qo'noS, but what about {bIje''eghchugh vaj bIHegh}? It seems like a reasonable thing a restaurant
proprietor might tell you, and is also more self-evidently true than the other two.<br>
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> I tried doing a web search for {bIje''eghchugh vaj bIHegh}, and wasn’t able to find any existing uses of this phrase. However, Klingon text searches in Terran database systems can be a bit hit or miss. Surely others must have invented this same pun already,
I would think…<br>
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> At the very least, it makes for an amusing demonstration of how important the {qaghwI'} is.<br>
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