<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div><span></span></div><div><div><span></span></div><div><div></div><div><br></div><div><br>On Jun 2, 2018, at 14:24, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/2/2018 3:08 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">boQwI' gives you
an option of using k -> {q} or {Q}, is that something
feasible on your end? <br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Right, when I ported boQwI' to iOS I made this a choice as well, but in this case, I’m using xifan hol as the internal representation of Klingon text, so I have to pick one or the other. It’s easy enough to throw up a front end to accept tlhIngan Hol (or even the opposite xifan hol), so I guess ultimately it doesn’t matter what choice I make except for people who are preparing corpora for training. I just get hung up on these types of choices when the choice is a purely personal preference, and I feel like I’m imposing my own preference on others.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAG84SOsDp2+OvT1LG8PuUofedzGtBFos8gAvAnDjg_1GXHgmVw@mail.gmail.com"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I prefer to use
boQwI' with k -> {Q}, since I can just use q for {q}. But I
have noticed that some fonts use k for {q} and q for {Q} (or,
technically, they use K for {q} and Q for {Q}, since the fonts
map pIqaD to capital letters). I think I might be in the
minority on this one. <br>
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<p>I prefer <i>k</i> -> <b>q</b>. In transliteration, <i>k</i>
that isn't part of a cluster nearly always ends up as <b>q,</b>
while <i>kr</i> tends to be the transliteration of <b>Q. </b>Since
native English speakers consider <i>k</i> simpler than consonant
clusters of <i>k,</i> and since <i>k </i>is more common than <i>q,</i>
and <i>q </i>is odd to an English speaker with a following <i>u,</i>
I think <i>k</i> is more suitable for <b>q.</b> It's just a bias
for an arbitrary choice though, not a logical argument for it.<br>
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<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, this is essentially the same reason my preference is for k = q.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">(Obviously, we
should ask Okrand to make a ruling one way or another, just to
sort it out.)</div>
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<p>A ruling on what? Okrand isn't in charge of keyboard mappings or
anything like that; he isn't even in charge of what Klingon LOOKS
like. All he knows is what Maltz tells him, and Maltz will just
say Klingon computers already have <b>pIqaD</b> on them, so
there's no mapping issue.</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah, I don’t think there needs to be an official position on this one way or another; I just wanted to get an idea as to how annoyed people who prefer k = Q would be if you had k = q forced on you.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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