<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Maybe I'm being influenced by English here.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">In English, demonstrative words typically begin with "th-": this, that, those, the... every time, the "th-" signifies that a reference is made to something already known.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">To refer to an already known place in English, you sort of "merge" "th(at)" + "(wh)ere" and get "there"</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Since in Klingon, {'e'} and {net} also mean a reference to an already-known element (in standard usage, the preceding sentence), and {-Daq} refers to a location (sort of like "where"), putting them together might amount to merging "that + where" as in English, thus getting: (?){'e'Daq} / (?){netDaq} = thereat / there where (the action took place).</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I still think it would be a neat way to solve the problem of complex relative clauses in the case of locatives.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">But really, maybe it would be best to just ask Maltz, though from what I've seen the chabal tetlh for the next qep'a' is already huge.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">ghItlhjaj</font></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-04-29 23:09 GMT+02:00 SuStel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-2124995173060935333moz-cite-prefix">On 4/29/2018 3:12 PM,
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<div>I have been wondering for a couple of days now whether the
sentence pronouns {'e'} and {net} might take the noun suffix
{-Daq} to refer to the location where the previous sentence took
place.<br>
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From the TKD, as far as I can tell nothing explicitly prohibits
adding any suffix to these pronouns - only their usage in
sentence-as-object constructions is described, but if you
consider that the TKD only gives a grammatical outline of
Klingon, well then maybe other kinds of usage also exist.<br>
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Imagine if we could write:<br>
(?) {paq laD HoD, 'e'Daq jIba'} = I sit where the captain read
the book<br>
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(?) {Hegh Subvam netDaq jaHQo'} = the place where this hero died
is avoided like the plague <br>
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What do you think? Does it seem to make sense to you the same
way it does for me?</div>
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</span><p>My objection would be that you're not saying <i>I sit where the
captain reads the book;</i> you're saying <i>I sit at the
captain reads the book.</i> <b>'e'Daq</b> would not take place
at the location of the previous sentence; it says the previous
sentence IS a location, which seems meaningless to me.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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