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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/30/2018 4:46 AM, Aurélie
Demonchaux wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Maybe I'm being influenced by English here.</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">In English, demonstrative words typically
begin with "th-": this, that, those, the... every time,
the "th-" signifies that a reference is made to something
already known.</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">To refer to an already known place in English,
you sort of "merge" "th(at)" + "(wh)ere" and get "there"</font></div>
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<p><i>There</i> is not a combination of <i>that</i> and <i>where.</i></p>
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<p>Old English <i>þær </i>"in or at that place," from
Proto-Germanic *<i>thær </i>(cf. Old Saxon <i>thar</i>, Old
Frisian <i>ther</i>, Middle Low German <i>dar</i>, Middle
Dutch <i>daer</i>, Dutch <i>daar</i>, Old High German <i>dar</i>,
German <i>da</i>, Gothic <i>þar</i>, Old Norse <i>þar</i>),
from PIE *<i>tar</i>- "there" (cf. Sanskrit <i>tar-hi</i>
"then"), from root *<i>to</i>- (see the ) + adverbial suffix -<i>r</i>.</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.dictionary.com/browse/there?r=75&src=ref&ch=dic"><http://www.dictionary.com/browse/there?r=75&src=ref&ch=dic></a><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Since in Klingon, {'e'} and {net} also mean a
reference to an already-known element (in standard usage,
the preceding sentence), and {-Daq} refers to a location
(sort of like "where"), putting them together might amount
to merging "that + where" as in English, thus getting:
(?){'e'Daq} / (?){netDaq} = thereat / there where (the
action took place).</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">I still think it would be a neat way to solve
the problem of complex relative clauses in the case of
locatives.</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">But really, maybe it would be best to just ask
Maltz, though from what I've seen the chabal tetlh for the
next qep'a' is already huge.</font></div>
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<p>We already did ask Maltz, or at least Okrand. He replied that he
couldn't get it to work.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://klingonska.org/canon/1995-06-holqed-04-2-a.txt"><http://klingonska.org/canon/1995-06-holqed-04-2-a.txt></a><br>
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