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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/30/2018 4:46 AM, Aurélie
      Demonchaux wrote:<br>
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          <div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica,
              sans-serif">Maybe I'm being influenced by English here.</font></div>
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          <div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica,
              sans-serif">In English, demonstrative words typically
              begin with "th-": this, that, those, the... every time,
              the "th-" signifies that a reference is made to something
              already known.</font></div>
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          <div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica,
              sans-serif">To refer to an already known place in English,
              you sort of "merge" "th(at)" + "(wh)ere" and get "there"</font></div>
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    <p><i>There</i> is not a combination of <i>that</i> and <i>where.</i></p>
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      <p>Old English <i>þær </i>"in or at that place," from
        Proto-Germanic *<i>thær </i>(cf. Old Saxon <i>thar</i>, Old
        Frisian <i>ther</i>, Middle Low German <i>dar</i>, Middle
        Dutch <i>daer</i>, Dutch <i>daar</i>, Old High German <i>dar</i>,
        German <i>da</i>, Gothic <i>þar</i>, Old Norse <i>þar</i>),
        from PIE *<i>tar</i>- "there" (cf. Sanskrit <i>tar-hi</i>
        "then"), from root *<i>to</i>- (see the ) + adverbial suffix -<i>r</i>.</p>
      <p><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.dictionary.com/browse/there?r=75&src=ref&ch=dic"><http://www.dictionary.com/browse/there?r=75&src=ref&ch=dic></a><br>
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          <div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica,
              sans-serif">Since in Klingon, {'e'} and {net} also mean a
              reference to an already-known element (in standard usage,
              the preceding sentence), and {-Daq} refers to a location
              (sort of like "where"), putting them together might amount
              to merging "that + where" as in English, thus getting:
              (?){'e'Daq} / (?){netDaq} = thereat / there where (the
              action took place).</font></div>
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          <div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica,
              sans-serif">I still think it would be a neat way to solve
              the problem of complex relative clauses in the case of
              locatives.</font></div>
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          <div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica,
              sans-serif">But really, maybe it would be best to just ask
              Maltz, though from what I've seen the chabal tetlh for the
              next qep'a' is already huge.</font></div>
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    <p>We already did ask Maltz, or at least Okrand. He replied that he
      couldn't get it to work.
      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://klingonska.org/canon/1995-06-holqed-04-2-a.txt"><http://klingonska.org/canon/1995-06-holqed-04-2-a.txt></a><br>
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