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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/21/2018 9:40 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:dm8k0p90if246pskrr76kb29.1521638940393@email.android.com">
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">What would
happen though, if we had only two things ? "the vulcans, caused
the federation to accept them (the "them" referring to
themselves, the vulcans)". Here we have only two things: the
federation and the vulcans.</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">So how would
we say that ? Instinctively, I would write:</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">{yuQjIjDI'vI'vaD
vulqanganpu' lajmoH vulqanganpu'}</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">But, my
problem is, that the {vulqanganpu'} which precedes and follows
the {lajmoH} is the same, i.e. it refers to the same people.</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">As I
understand it, the "they-them" zero-prefix, is to be used only
when the "they" is other than the "them".</p>
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<p>Your understanding is flawed. When an entity is both the doer of
an action and the done upon, you use one of the reflexive suffixes
to indicate this, and the entity is the subject. <b>jIqIp'egh jIH</b><i>
I hit myself. </i>When an entity is both the causer and the one
caused to do the action, you use one of the reflexive suffixes. <b>mabom'eghmoH
maH</b><i> We cause each other to sing. </i>But in your example
you have the same entity as the causer and the done upon, which is
not one of the times you use a reflexive suffix. So your instincts
are correct.</p>
<p>If you don't like having the same entity on both sides of a
single verb, do something like this: <b>vulqanganpu' laj
yuQjIjDIvI' 'e' qaSmoH vulqanganpu'.</b> Or go with a syntactic
noun: <b>vulqanganpu'mo' vulqanganpu' laj yuQjIjDIvI'.</b><br>
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