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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/21/2018 10:19 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">> But in
your example you have the same entity</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">> as the
causer and the done upon, which is not</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">> one of
the times you use a reflexive suffix. So</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">> your
instincts are correct.</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">So, this
means that if we have a transitive verb on which we place the
{-moH}, then:</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">a. this verb
can't have the causer as subject and the done upon as object</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">b. we can't
use the {-'egh}/{-chuq} on this verb in a sentence, such as
the "the vulcans caused the federation to accept them"</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">So, we can't
express the intended meaning in the way {*yadda*vaD X
*verb*moH X}, and we need to recast.</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Right ?</p>
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<p>I wish you wouldn't try to put what I say into absolute formulas.
I'm not declaring a rule; I'm analyzing what seems to happen in
these sorts of sentences and drawing a conclusion. And it seems to
me that the reflexive suffixes apply when a doer is also the
done-to, and when a causer is also the made-to-do, and for no
other combination.</p>
<p>In {YvaD X VmoH X}, X is the causer and the done-to, which isn't
one of those combinations that I think requires a reflexive
suffix. It seems a correct construction.<br>
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