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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/7/2018 10:11 AM, mayqel qunenoS
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cite="mid:CAP7F2cJdRNd8RP8hnA48TrfOGEUpVmhirjFCix1qmvs5P2YaBw@mail.gmail.com">There
is something I've been wondering for quite some time.
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<div dir="auto">A sao has the form {sentence 'e' verb}, with the
{'e'} referring to the {sentence}.</div>
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<div dir="auto">If we write {vIghro' vIje' 'e' Dalegh}, then this
means "you saw that I fed the cat".</div>
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<div dir="auto">But what happens, when before the {'e'} we have
two joined sentences ?</div>
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<div dir="auto">Suppose we write {vIghro' vIje' 'ej chab wIvut 'e'
Dalegh}.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Where does the {'e'} refer now ? Does it refer to
the entire {<span style="font-family:sans-serif">vIghro' vIje'
'ej chab wIvut}, or does it only refer to the {chab wIvut} ?</span></div>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Does the {</span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif">vIghro' vIje' 'ej chab wIvut
'e' Dalegh} mean:</span></div>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">"I fed the
cat, and you saw that we baked the pie", or does it mean "</span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif">You saw that I fed the cat and
that we baked the pie" ? Or does it mean both ?</span></div>
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<p>Strictly according to the text of TKD, it could mean either.</p>
<p>Sentence as object is not defined as "sentence 'e' verb"; it is
defined as "sentence1 sentence2" (although there is later mention
of the "two-verb (or two-sentence) construction." There are
several kinds of SAO, including those using <b>'e'</b> or <b>net,</b>
those using <b>neH</b> in the second sentence, those using verbs
of speech, and those using <b>rIntaH.</b></p>
<p>TKD doesn't give much explanation as to what sorts of sentences
are allowed as sentence one or sentence two. It only uses basic
sentences as components of the examples. I see no particular
reason why a compound sentence couldn't be used as sentence one.
For that matter, I'm not sure that sentence two couldn't be a
compound sentence: <b>chab wIvut 'e' Dachaw' 'ej 'e' Dabej</b><i>
You permit us to and watch us bake a pie.</i> Maybe one could
argue that the use of the phrase "two-verb... construction" means
compound sentences can't be used in an SAO, but I don't think that
was the intention of the phrase. I think it just didn't occur to
Okrand.</p>
<p>How about comparatives as sentence one? People do that all the
time. <b>SoH HoS law' jIH HoS puS 'e' vItem</b><i> I deny that
you're stronger than me.</i></p>
<p>How about dependent clauses on either half of an SAO? No reason
not to do that, and that would introduce more verbs, despite the
"two-verb... construction."<br>
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<p>But you're right that there's ambiguity. As always, ambiguity is
a normal part of language. If you want to avoid ambiguity, be more
explicit. <b>vIghro' vIje' 'e' Dalegh 'ej chab wIvut 'e' Dalegh</b><i>
You see me feed the cat and you see us bake a pie.</i><br>
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