<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">SuStel:</span><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">> How would you say </span><b style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">SuQomtaH</b><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"> in Standard American English </span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">> (that's the newscaster variety)? (Hint: SAE has no </span><i style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">y'all </i><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">or </span><i style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">youz</i><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">.) </span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">> Can you say it as simply as the Klingon?</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">No, of course not.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">The ability of klingon to provide us with a way to express a longer english sentence with fewer words, is something which I always liked in this language. An ability which is often able to impress.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">But the positve impression created by that ability fades, when we come across the need to express something simple, only to realize that because there are no tools to do so, we need to pause whatever it was we were writing, only to start describing in multiple sentences something which should be expressed in just a few words.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">One of course could disagree as to what is simple and what is complex.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">In my opinion, phrases as "we all", or "five minutes before dawn" are simple things to say; "f</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">emoroacetabular impingement" on the other hand isn't.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">I realize, that it is impossible for an artificial language to be able to possess the full potential of a real language.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px">But I believe, sometimes we just need to say "ok, it's an artificial language, so there are limits to what we can say and how", than trying to convince the other that everything is perfect and exactly the way it should be.</span></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Only qeylIS is perfect. Nothing else in this world is perfect. And if someone thinks that klingon is perfect, then don't compile wish lists for qep'a'mey and qepHommey, don't ask for anything more.</span></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Accept everything the way it is right now, because everything is perfect. So perfect, that not even God himself could do better.</span></font></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px">~ nI'ghma</span></font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 2, 2018 8:47 PM, "SuStel" <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-62151789957863833moz-cite-prefix">On 2/2/2018 1:14 PM, mayqel qunenoS
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<blockquote type="cite"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Perhaps, using the
time-honored-qeylIS-approved method of writing in a
retarded-multiple-sentence-<wbr>way, even if it is in order to say
the simplest things, is indeed the way to go..</span></font></blockquote>
<p>Oh please. What's simple in one language is not necessarily
simple in another. The very fact that we have multiple forms of
"sentence as object" shows that Klingon is perfectly comfortable
with multiple sentences. Canon like <b>'uSDaj chop; chev</b> for
<i>chew his arm off!</i> shows you don't even need a special
grammatical structure to do it. Every simile does this.<br>
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COMBINING MULTIPLE SENTENCES IS <b>HOW</b> KLINGON DOES SIMPLE.</p>
<p>The problem you're having isn't that what you want should be
simple and it's not; it's that one language has a tool the other
doesn't and you miss it. How would you say <b>SuQomtaH</b> in
Standard American English (that's the newscaster variety)? (Hint:
SAE has no <i>y'all </i>or <i>youz</i>.) Can you say it as
simply as the Klingon? In Klingon, it's three syllables. In the
simplest and most precise SAE translation, not losing any meaning
or adding any ambiguity, I count twelve syllables.<br>
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