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<div class="gmail_quote" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">@De'vID:</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I guess you meant "the enemy".</blockquote><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div style=""><font face="times new roman, serif">bIlugh - HIvqa' veqlargh !</font></div><span class="gmail-im" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(80,0,80)"><div> </div></span></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_quote" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span class="gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>(*) jolvoy' tI' jonwI' 'e' vIbejtaHvIS HIv jagh</div></div></blockquote></span></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_quote" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span class="gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br></div></div></blockquote></span></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_quote" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span class="gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>The above translation would be perfect except for the fact that the -taH suffix is both forbidden (because it comes after the 'e') and required before -vIS.</div></div></blockquote></span></div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">{jolvoy' tI'taHvIS jonwI' 'e' vIbej, HIv jagh}?</span>

</blockquote></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I am not sure that we can have -taHvIS like this on its own in a sentence-as-object structure - I don't recall seeing it elsewhere in any case.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">@SuStel:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">

<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">What Krankor sees as an unforgivable problem with Klingon, I see as a "that's just the way it is" issue.<br><b>jolvoy' tI'taH jonwI'. vIbejtaHvIS HIv jagh.<br></b>There is absolutely no reason why all this has to be a single sentence in Klingon. Klingon thrives on multiple, short sentences being joined contextually.</blockquote>

<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Ah I hadn't considered splitting the whole sentence entirely, but you're right, it does make sense in Klingon and seems natural. qatlho'! :)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-01-29 10:10 GMT+01:00 De'vID <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" target="_blank">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On 28 January 2018 at 20:37, demonchaux.aurelie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com" target="_blank">demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Hi all, Savan ! :)</div><div><br></div><div>While reading Captain Krankor's contribution in HolQeD Vol 6, Number 1, I wondered if there was any other way to solve the problem he raised.<br>
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Basically the issue was that the rule banning aspect suffixes after the 'e' in a sentence-as-object structure was making it impossible to translate a seemingly simple sentence:<br>
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The engineer attacked while I was watching the engineer fix the transporter ionizer unit.<br>
<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I guess you meant "the enemy".</div><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
(*) jolvoy' tI' jonwI' 'e' vIbejtaHvIS HIv jagh<br>
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The above translation would be perfect except for the fact that the -taH suffix is both forbidden (because it comes after the 'e') and required before -vIS.<br></div></div></blockquote></span></div><br>{jolvoy' tI'taHvIS jonwI' 'e' vIbej, HIv jagh}?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="m_-2295061592933049767gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">De'vID</div>
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