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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/28/2018 7:12 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">loghaD:</span></font></div>
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">> «maH
Hoch» = all/each of us, without exception (useful for </span>
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style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">>
describing unanimous vs. collective decisions and the like)</span></div>
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style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div dir="auto"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">I was under
the impression that using {Hoch} directly after a plural noun,
meant "all of the.." , being able to convey only a plural
meaning.</span></div>
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style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">For example {chabmey Hoch} "all of
the pies"; {chabmey Hoch DISopta'} "we ate all of the pies".</span></font></div>
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style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">On the other hand, placing Hoch
after a singular noun, means "all of the..", expressing a
singular meaning. {</span></font><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">chab Hoch
wISopta'} "we ate all of the pie".</span></div>
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style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div dir="auto"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">The "each"
meaning, is expressed only if we place the {Hoch} in front of
a singular noun. {Hoch chab wISopta'} "we ate each pie".</span></div>
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style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div dir="auto"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">So, I can't
understand how writing {maH Hoch} could mean "each of us".</span></div>
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<p>What we know from canon:</p>
<ul>
<li>Putting <b>Hoch</b> in front of a noun not marked as plural
means <i>each noun, considered individually.</i></li>
<li>Putting <b>Hoch </b>in front of a noun marked as plural
means <i>all nouns, taken as a whole.</i></li>
<li>Putting <b>'op</b> in front of a noun means <i>some of the
nouns; some number of multiple nouns.<br>
</i></li>
<li>Putting <b>HochHom</b> after a noun means <i>most of noun;
out of a single noun, most of it.</i><br>
<i></i></li>
</ul>
<p>What I extrapolate from canon, and which can be built using other
grammatical rules, but which I cannot prove:</p>
<ul>
<li>Putting <b>Hoch</b> after a noun means <i>all of noun; out
of a single noun, all of it.</i></li>
<li>Putting <b>'op</b> after a noun means <i>some of noun; out
of a single noun, some of it.</i></li>
<li>Putting <b>HochHom</b> in front of a noun means <i>most of
the nouns; out of all nouns, most of them.</i></li>
</ul>
<p>Canonical rules:</p>
<ul>
<li><b>Hoch chab </b><i>each pie</i></li>
<li><b>Hoch chabmey</b><i> all pies</i></li>
<li><b>'op chab, 'op chabmey</b><i> some pies</i> (dunno if
there's an <i>each/all</i> distinction here)</li>
<li><b>chab HochHom</b><i> </i><i>most of the pie</i></li>
</ul>
<p>Extrapolation:</p>
<ul>
<li><b>chab Hoch</b><i> all of the pie</i></li>
<li><b>chab 'op</b><i> most of the pie</i></li>
<li><b>HochHom chab, HochHom chabmey</b><i> most of the pies</i>
(dunno if there's an <i>each/all</i> distinction here)<br>
<i></i></li>
</ul>
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