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</span></span></span><![endif]>Assume I want to say, "I give DuraS the middle finger".<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]>Initially, it came to me to write: {DuraSDaq qaywI' vI'agh}.<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]>I *feel* that it is more appropriate to say {DuraSvaD qaywI' vI'agh}.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You’re still thinking in English (and/or Greek). Instead of using the noun {qaywI'} , use the verb {qay} “use the second (middle) finger”: {DuraSDaq jIqay}.
Whether this means the same thing in Klingon as in English is another question entirely.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The use of the finger verbs was explained in HolQeD 10.2:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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When used with nouns with the locative suffix <b>–Daq</b>, the finger verbs mean
<i>point (with a specific finger) at or towards</i>. … There are some special uses of the reflexive forms of the finger verbs. For example, while
<b>ghIchwIj vISIq </b>means <i>I touch my nose with my index finger</i> and <b>ghIchwIjDaq jISIq</b> means
<i>I point at my nose with my index finger</i>, the phrase <b>ghIchwIjDaq jISIq'egh
</b>(with –<b>'egh</b> <b>oneself</b>), literally <i>I use at myself my index finger at my nose</i>, is used for
<i>I pick my nose with my index finger</i>. Similarly, <b>nujDajDaq rIl'egh ghu</b>, literally
<i>at his/her mouth, the baby uses at him/herself his/her thumb</i>, is used for <i>
the baby sucks its thumb</i>. […]In addition to <b>qan</b> <i>use the little finger, use the pinkie</i>, there is another verb
<b>qan</b> meaning <i>be old (not young)</i>. No doubt because of this resemblance, when one points at someone using the little finger, or when one remarks on this pointing, the pointer is making a comment on the age of the person being pointed to.
<b>qI'empeqDaq jIqan</b> (I think that) K'mpec is old (lit. "I point at K'mpec with my little finger"). (HQ 10.2:7-9)<o:p></o:p></p>
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Some more examples:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>DungDaq qan</b> <o:p></o:p></p>
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point the little finger upwards. (HQ 10.2)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <b>jaghwI'Daq jIHom</b> <br>
I use (my) second toe at my enemy.<br>
(<span style="font-variant:small-caps">idiom</span>: I claim my enemy is unworthy or weak). (HQ 10.2:11)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Aha! It appears that, instead of “giving someone the finger”, in Klingon you “give someone the toe”. <g><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> mayqel qunenoS<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is something, which I'm wondering with regards to the {-Daq}.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Unfortunately though, in order to describe it, I need to write a ridiculous example.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Assume I want to say, "I give DuraS the middle finger".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Initially, it came to me to write: {DuraSDaq qaywI' vI'agh}.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, this phrase gives me the impression that someone has mounted DuraS, and there -on DuraS-, he displays the middle finger.<span style="color:#1F497D">
</span>So, I'm wondering whether this assumption is correct. Or could {-Daq} indeed be used to convey the intended meaning ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I *feel* that it is more appropriate to say {DuraSvaD qaywI' vI'agh}.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Although since I'm not certain, if anyone could shed some light on the matter, it would be great.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">~ nI'ghma<o:p></o:p></p>
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